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RCS

03-29-2006, 10:22 AM

'Our guys worked hard, but sometimes it's a very simple game. They just overpowered us with physical talent. It made me look at it and say, outside of Terrence Williams and the obvious of Taquan (Dean), it was disturbing from a talent level. So we're going to be playing a lot of freshmen next year so we can hold our own.'

Ouch! I guess all the local media will give UL a pass again next year since they will be playing FR. If Tubby ever said something like that people would be all over them. BTW, who recruited these kids again? Who is responsible for the current lack of talent at UL? Pitino is clearly a shadow of his former self or maybe UK made Pitino as much as Pitino made UK?

NC Cat

03-29-2006, 10:30 AM

"Our style is a very athletic style being played by not very athletic people."

And who do you suppose recruited these not very athletic people? Heh-heh, for some reason he leaves that part out... ;)

RCS

03-29-2006, 10:45 AM

"They do such a good job of penetrating," Pitino said. "We got beat constantly off the dribble. It was a matter of a team much more athletic than us. Our style is a very athletic style being played by not very athletic people."

Again, if I were a UL fan I would have to be asking who's fault is that. These are all Pitino recruits. Was he not aware of what style he played when he was recruiting these kids? I would be furious right now if I were a UL fan. Tubby is to blame for the lack of a PF, but Pitino is complaining about his entire team. Not good if you are a UL fan. BTW, this has to be the worst 21-13 team in the country. If anyone doubts that the only reason they got to the Final 4 of the NIT is because they played at home look at this stat. They lost 10 of 12 games away from home. That is terrible.

sardiscat

03-29-2006, 10:50 AM

This was UL's first year of all Pitino recruits.

SamKat

03-29-2006, 11:03 AM

Forgive me, but this is Schadenfreude or epiclaricacy for me. I am one of the 98% of KY fans he declaresd would support RP when he took the UL job-NOT! He was a good young coach who did wondrous things for the Cats, but flirted so much with the pros. He went there. No great problem. BUT , taking the job on Third St in L'vl was not a wise decision.

I get pure joy in seeing them lose.

TheMadCatter

03-29-2006, 12:54 PM

Jamal Mashburn is NOT walking through that door.

BigBlue75

03-29-2006, 12:57 PM

Nor is Rodney and Scooter McCray, Pervis Ellison, or Darrel Griffith.

trublue4life

03-29-2006, 01:06 PM

TheMadCatter wrote: Jamal Mashburn is NOT walking through that door.
Accroding to Pitino he already has. He declared his freshman year the Juan Palacios was basically Mashburn incarnate. Of course, that was before the Gamecocks were dunking all over him last night. Now, according to his highness, he has no athletic ability at all. I'm getting dizzy from all the spin:shock:!

BTW, if you haven't seen the highlights you need to watch for Balkman's flying dunk over Terrance Farley. It was the best jam of the year and were it not in the (who cares) NIT it might be an ESPY nominee.

kyrgaines

03-29-2006, 01:20 PM

Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.

Dr. H Lecter

03-29-2006, 01:55 PM

kyrgaines wrote: Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.

Thank you for recounting the entire "Boston Rick-Tom Jurich Spin Machine" list of bumper sticker excuses for why they sucked in 05-06.

I wish our fans would look at our football team last season and all our youth and injuries with half as much understanding as their fans do with Boston Rick.

RCS

03-29-2006, 03:05 PM

So the fact they were completely out athleted was because 1 plauyer was hurt? Padgett is not even all that athletic. The reality is his FR are not very good and his SO and JRs have not developed at all. His best player is a transfer. They are going to suck next year also. I know UL fans think they will be saved by these FR, but no FR have made an impact at UL so far so why would this class be different?

TOPCAT

03-29-2006, 07:28 PM

I read somewhere that half of that incoming class may not qualify!

Will Lavender

03-29-2006, 07:31 PM

kyrgaines wrote: Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.
South Carolina was playing with only 8 scholarship players. One of their key players, Brandan Wallace, was suspended. Two other reserves were hurt.

Yet they still managed to thrash UofL.

If anybody has a right to play the injury card, it's probably the Gamecocks.

Lost Highway

03-29-2006, 07:58 PM

Will Lavender wrote: kyrgaines wrote: Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.
South Carolina was playing with only 8 scholarship players. One of their key players, Brandan Wallace, was suspended. Two other reserves were hurt.

Yet they still managed to thrash UofL.

If anybody has a right to play the injury card, it's probably the Gamecocks.

Thank you Will Lavender. Excuses are a dime a dozen. UL lost the game and that is that.

ukbob

03-29-2006, 08:29 PM

Pitino gets more free passes from our fans(and theirs) than a worker in movie house.

The FACT is that he recruited BAD. He has one Freshman that can play at all. Yes, injuries play a part. However, King Rick is supposed to be the god of recruiting, coaching and all things basketball. I know...I read it on here after every loss Tubby Smith got. Where is that great bench that he recruited? You mean Tubby is the only coach that recruits non-athletic players that don't come through?

He played St. Mary of the Lawn Darts at home each week, then gets his butt handed to him in the Big East.He has been at UL for FIVE years and has one Final Four and 2 NIT trips. In the other 2 years he won a grand total of ONE NCAA game.

His team just won 69th place in the nation, yet we still hear how great he is.

Had this been his record here or had any coach we have had done the same, he would be driven out of town.

USC, with 8..count them...8...scholarship players, clubbed his team like a baby seal.

Good for USC. Good for the SEC. Had the Cocks done a little better in the regular season, they would be putting a hurt on somebody int he NCAA, IMO.

UedK

03-29-2006, 09:41 PM

ukbob wrote: Pitino gets more free passes from our fans(and theirs) than a worker in movie house....................

Bob, I gave up watching the local Louisville news years ago when they all got their noses stuck up........Well anyway, I spent 1.5 hrs this evening flipping from local ABC, NBC and CBS and heard only one small blurb from the worst of them all Bob Domino, he spent about five seconds basically saying wait till next year.

TrueblueCATfan

03-29-2006, 09:59 PM

trublue4life wrote: TheMadCatter wrote: Jamal Mashburn is NOT walking through that door.
Accroding to Pitino he already has. He declared his freshman year the Juan Palacios was basically Mashburn incarnate. Of course, that was before the Gamecocks were dunking all over him last night. Now, according to his highness, he has no athletic ability at all. I'm getting dizzy from all the spin:shock:!

BTW, if you haven't seen the highlights you need to watch for Balkman's flying dunk over Terrance Farley. It was the best jam of the year and were it not in the (who cares) NIT it might be an ESPY nominee.
Mashburn and Palacios should not be mentioned in the same sentence...he will never be Jamal Mashburn..............when pigs fly

kyrgaines

03-29-2006, 11:12 PM

What exactly are you saying I am spinning? Where was Imisleading with my comments? And who is "their fans"? Yes they were hurting this year. I wasn't making excuses for them, the SEC was underated this year and South Carolina beat us 2 twice, and Florida twice as well. I wasn't taking away anything from South Carolina, they were a good team this year. Everything I said is true though about Louisville and yes, they did suck this year.

Dr. H Lecter wrote:
kyrgaines wrote: Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.

Thank you for recounting the entire "Boston Rick-Tom Jurich Spin Machine" list of bumper sticker excuses for why they sucked in 05-06.

I wish our fans would look at our football team last season and all our youth and injuries with half as much understanding as their fans do with Boston Rick.

sojourner

03-29-2006, 11:29 PM

Well for starters nowhere do you mention coaching. Which is supposed to be a strong point of Pitinos. I remember when he took a UK team with a 6'7" foward playing center and beat LSU with Shaq. And now he can't win the NIT in his fifth year at a school? You say they sucked, it is WHY they sucked that you are ducking.

Also South Carolina only beat us once.

kyrgaines wrote:
What exactly are you saying I am spinning? Where was Imisleading with my comments? And who is "their fans"? Yes they were hurting this year. I wasn't making excuses for them, the SEC was underated this year and South Carolina beat us 2 twice, and Florida twice as well. I wasn't taking away anything from South Carolina, they were a good team this year. Everything I said is true though about Louisville and yes, they did suck this year.

Dr. H Lecter wrote:
kyrgaines wrote: Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.

Thank you for recounting the entire "Boston Rick-Tom Jurich Spin Machine" list of bumper sticker excuses for why they sucked in 05-06.

I wish our fans would look at our football team last season and all our youth and injuries with half as much understanding as their fans do with Boston Rick.

kyrgaines

03-29-2006, 11:53 PM

Didn't we lose to South Carolinaonce during the regular seasonand then in the SEC Tourny? I'm not ducking anything because I don't believe he has forgotten how to coach. If that is what you are suggesting, are saying it because you truly believe it or because he took the Louisville job in general?

blueheretic

03-30-2006, 05:22 AM

WGAF!!!

Caveman Catfan

03-30-2006, 07:36 AM

UK beat USC twice during the regular season and then lost to them in the SEC tourney.

kyrgaines

03-30-2006, 07:43 AM

yeah, I don't where I got that they beat us twice.

trublue4life

03-30-2006, 08:05 AM

kyrgaines wrote: What exactly are you saying I am spinning? Where was Imisleading with my comments? And who is "their fans"? Yes they were hurting this year. I wasn't making excuses for them, the SEC was underated this year and South Carolina beat us 2 twice, and Florida twice as well. I wasn't taking away anything from South Carolina, they were a good team this year. Everything I said is true though about Louisville and yes, they did suck this year.

Dr. H Lecter wrote:
kyrgaines wrote: Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.

Thank you for recounting the entire "Boston Rick-Tom Jurich Spin Machine" list of bumper sticker excuses for why they sucked in 05-06.

I wish our fans would look at our football team last season and all our youth and injuries with half as much understanding as their fans do with Boston Rick.
Correction. South Carolina beat us once. We beat them twice. And, yes, your post does sound like listening to a Pitino/Jurich press conference on why their b'ball team sucked. And, the good doctor H. is simply pointing out that when anybody does something similar with the UK football team they get taken to the woodshed on this board. Truth be told,some of our (so-called) fans are willing to give Pitino a pass that they aren't willing to give our own coaches.

Wildcat Larry

03-30-2006, 10:17 AM

Theoretically, USC beat UK twice, but Rondo's fade away 3 point prayer kept it from being a reality. :shock:;)

kyrgaines

03-30-2006, 12:08 PM

I'm not responsible for what everybody else says about the football team. I think the football team is in the right direction and I travel a long way to support them during games. I don't sympathize for Pitino at all. I commented on issues that happened and some people are simply interested in bashing the "traitor", that isn't what my post was about. Sorry I got caught up in that.

trublue4life wrote:
kyrgaines wrote: What exactly are you saying I am spinning? Where was Imisleading with my comments? And who is "their fans"? Yes they were hurting this year. I wasn't making excuses for them, the SEC was underated this year and South Carolina beat us 2 twice, and Florida twice as well. I wasn't taking away anything from South Carolina, they were a good team this year. Everything I said is true though about Louisville and yes, they did suck this year.

Dr. H Lecter wrote:
kyrgaines wrote: Its a combination of player injuries, players recovering from injuries, lack of experience, and lack of talent last night. He was playing one guy I have never seen before. The guy spoted up uncontested and shot an air ball 3. I know that the two key low post players Padgett and Palacious have had limitations all year. Jenkins and Dean are basically all they have for experience, Williams is very athletic but makes alot of freshman mistakes. Of course everybody knows about Telfar. It could be a very different team had some things happened and/or not happened. However, it is what it is.

Thank you for recounting the entire "Boston Rick-Tom Jurich Spin Machine" list of bumper sticker excuses for why they sucked in 05-06.

I wish our fans would look at our football team last season and all our youth and injuries with half as much understanding as their fans do with Boston Rick.
Correction. South Carolina beat us once. We beat them twice. And, yes, your post does sound like listening to a Pitino/Jurich press conference on why their b'ball team sucked. And, the good doctor H. is simply pointing out that when anybody does something similar with the UK football team they get taken to the woodshed on this board. Truth be told,some of our (so-called) fans are willing to give Pitino a pass that they aren't willing to give our own coaches.

poodoo

03-30-2006, 12:58 PM

RCS wrote: ''Our guys worked hard, but sometimes it's a very simple game. They just overpowered us with physical talent. It made me look at it and say, outside of Terrence Williams and the obvious of Taquan (Dean), it was disturbing from a talent level. So we're going to be playing a lot of freshmen next year so we can hold our own."

Personally, I think Rick Pitino's comments are shameful. How insulting can he be to his returning players! Simiarly, recently I had read his comments about his team's lack of offensive production. Quoted in the CJ, he said,"It's just a lack of offensive talent." :(

What's amazing to me is that he does get that "free pass" from the local media (only Jerry Brewer has come within a ten-foot pole of any cricitism, as the others have simply used the "excuse" spin all season along, especially their playing in that "mighty" Big East conference), RCS. Perhaps that is partially because the media wants to get to continue togets his lengthy interviews with quotesfor their articles. How does he get by with it with hisown players, though! in the CJ I haverepeated comments putting downLouisville's talent level since his arrival, but the players continue to play hard for him. Go figure.

Oddly,too, UK fans pick apart RichBrooks's comments in regard to the talent level of UK football players (as he and every other UK football coach I can remember has said that we must get MORE talent and speed) and put up Pitino as the idol, sharing how he praises his players' talent andthus gets more out of them. AsIhaverepeatedly posted, no, instead, he puts down their talent level to the mediaandputs no blame on himself for poor performances, but theystill play hard for him.Again, gofigure.

Personally, I thinkPitino is a master manipulator. He gets people tothink of him what he wantsthem to think of him, his players, the media, and the fans (including UK fans). Bothhis players and the media somewhat become pawns for him. It's weird, as I see it. Back to his comments, Ihonestly think they are shameful.Too, as someone said, whois responsible for recruiting all these guys who are so talented and must sitwhile theincoming freshmen play next season! Shame on Coach Pitino for these comments after a loss.

poodoo

03-30-2006, 01:11 PM

Will Lavender wrote:
South Carolina was playing with only 8 scholarship players. One of their key players, Brandan Wallace, was suspended. Two other reserves were hurt.

Yet they still managed to thrash UofL.

If anybody has a right to play the injury card, it's probably the Gamecocks.

Exactly, Will (although I believe it was Antoine Tisby, their center, who was suspended, and, yes, a backup center and another reserve were injured and also did not make the trip). Even with only having eight scholarship players available to play, South Carolina was still able to destroy Louisville. Even the announcers had thought that lack of depth would eventually hurt South Carolina, but it did not.

Louisville's lack of ability to stop South Carolina really surprised me. I, too, had never seen so many dunks. Too, Pitino looked bad, and his reaction was to put down his guys' talent (except for two players). Remember that his team had been ranked in the top five in some preseason polls.The "mighty" Big East representativewent out in embarrassing fashion against South Carolina of the "lowly" SEC, and Pitino did not handle it well, in my opinion.

In regard to the media, as a couple of others have posted, they mostly gave Louisville a "free pass" for most of the season. The toughness of that "mighty" Big East was repeatedly given as an excuse, along with injuries (which other teams have endured and not given as an excuse, including South Carolina's coach before the game). The media "babied" Pitino in that regard, and I honestly think his comments putting down his players' talent levelwere babyish. It's hard for me to see any other interpretation of his comments.

Pitino has recruited a fine class, though, and I expect Louisville to be back. Yet, that does notdefend Pitino's extreme comments, which I feel cannot be justified.

catfan02

03-30-2006, 01:27 PM

The double standard for the programs is sickening. Not one column the day after the game by Bozich or Brewer , just the beat writer. If that would have been Tubby , he would have been crucified. Why does Pitino get a free pass? They were humiliated in that game. A total disgrace and embarrassment and no comment from Brewer or Bozich (they are too busy dogging the IU hire). And the local news sports anchors just glossed over it like it never happened and all they talk about is next years recruits. It just baffles me!

poodoo

03-31-2006, 12:20 PM

catfan02 wrote: The double standard for the programs is sickening. Not one column the day after the game by Bozich or Brewer , just the beat writer. If that would have been Tubby , he would have been crucified. Why does Pitino get a free pass? They were humiliated in that game. A total disgrace and embarrassment and no comment from Brewer or Bozich (they are too busy dogging the IU hire). And the local news sports anchors just glossed over it like it never happened and all they talk about is next years recruits. It just baffles me!

Bozich's double standard, in particular, is quite noticeable to me, too, catfan02. How he totally ignored the Louisville football team's so embarrassing loss to South Florida last season was ridiculous almost tothe point of beingfunny.Having toutedthe team as a BCS team and even a possible national champion, he just became "mum" on the Louisville program until it had another nice win weeks later. Meanwhile he devoted all his energy to bad-mouthing Brooks, Barnhart, and the UK football program, one column after the other.

Brewer did at least write one column about the Louisville basketball team's not meeting expectations. He still handled it a bit with "kid gloves," but he at least did not totally ignore the team's underachievement this season. It would be nice if he would address the issue of Pitino's putting down his players' talent at such an extreme level, besides the disappointing performance against the Gamecocks who were ratedninth in the SECconference. (By the way, to Brewer's credit, he does not hurl digs and insults toward the UK programs as does Bozich.) On the other hand, if Bozich were to address the issue, I would probably faint. :ggrin:

In regard to Crawford, their beat writer, his was not an opinion piece. He was only sharing Pitino's comments after the game. Like Bozich, in my opinion,Crawford has been very careful to spin everything to Pitino's satisfaction (certainly in contrast to theCJ's UK beat writer when writing articles about UK).Again, he only quoted Pitino's comments, but did not react to them (and that's really how beat writers are supposed to write). Pitino obviously (and oddly, in my opinion) saw nothing wrong with his comments. It seems that he was only concerned that the performance did not reflect on his own coaching. :(Anyway, Pitino's comments speak for themselves, as I see it, but probably no local columnist is going to "touch them with a ten-foot pole" and draw any further attention to them.:(I suspect that Pitino has recovered from the humilation a bit and now regrets the comments himself. Again, I honestly wonder how the returning players felt about his comment thatonly Terrence Williams has talent remotely approaching the South Carolina players and thatfreshmen are thusgoing to have to play a lot next season.

If Tubby had made such comments, I would be willing to bet he would have been cruificied by the local press. Just my humble opinion on the matter.

blueheretic

03-31-2006, 01:45 PM

WGAF

katfever

03-31-2006, 03:01 PM

Rug head is the master spinster. He covers all his bases. For his team to win, it is against all odds and takes a historical effort. Then if it does happen, he is a genius. If it doesn't, he says I told you so. It is clear Pitino is a shell of the coach he was at UK- which makes it all the sweeter as the losses mount at loserville commuter school. I do wonder who all of these multitude of posters are who give RP a pass? I really do not see it. It seems for the most part everyone here enjoys his failures! lol

TrueblueCATfan

03-31-2006, 05:12 PM

blueheretic wrote: WGAFI have to ask..what the heck does this mean

Lost Highway

03-31-2006, 05:24 PM

TrueblueCATfan wrote: blueheretic wrote: WGAFI have to ask..what the heck does this mean
Please do not ask that. This is a family forum.

TrueblueCATfan

04-01-2006, 03:52 PM

katfever wrote: Rug head is the master spinster. He covers all his bases. For his team to win, it is against all odds and takes a historical effort. Then if it does happen, he is a genius. If it doesn't, he says I told you so. It is clear Pitino is a shell of the coach he was at UK- which makes it all the sweeter as the losses mount at loserville commuter school. I do wonder who all of these multitude of posters are who give RP a pass? I really do not see it. It seems for the most part everyone here enjoys his failures! lolI am rolling here..................rug head..............that is fricking funny

poodoo

04-01-2006, 04:35 PM

Earlier in this thread I had posted that Coach Pitino's comments about his players were shameful and that I could not understand how he gets away with comments like that, with both the press and the players themselves. I also said that I suspect he regrets some of the comments he made so close to the time of his team's having been destroyed, or humiliated, by South Carolina.

Well, he obviously did. In the CJ article in Thursday's paper, which reached us yesterday, some of Pitino's original comments (as linked here in Crawford's courier-journal.com article) were not included. In the article in Thursday's mail subscription issue Pitino just said that South Carolina had more "physical talent." Crawford does not include Pitino's comment lumping all his returning players but Terrence Williams in the category of being far less talented than South Carolina's players. Likewise he does not go to Pitino's comment that a lot of freshmen will thus be playing next season (although in another article Pitino more"softly"talks about playing some freshmen next year.

Anyway, that's just an update on this topic. Who knows how or why Crawford's article in the Thursday edition of the CJ did not include those original quotes by Pitino. Pitino is surely smart enough, though, to know that his original comments in the linked web article could not be taken well by his returning players, besides by some Louisville fans.

Caveman Catfan

04-06-2006, 05:20 AM

Has anyone in the media offered criticism directed toward RP for the poor season the Cards had this year?

blueheretic

04-06-2006, 05:49 AM

Caveman Catfan wrote: Has anyone in the media offered criticism directed toward RP for the poor season the Cards had this year?

Apparently, the media shares my sentiments...

UL Basketball is an afterthought. Pitino is a non-issue with everyone except for obsessed UK fans.

katfever

04-06-2006, 12:07 PM

blueheretic wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: Has anyone in the media offered criticism directed toward RP for the poor season the Cards had this year?

Apparently, the media shares my sentiments...

UL Basketball is an afterthought. Pitino is a non-issue with everyone except for obsessed UK fans.
There are certain fans that are obsessed with RP. However, probably most UK fans enjoy blasting UL and RP because they are rivals. Like Bama- Auburn in football. Or UNC- Duke in basketball. They blast each other all the time. That is what a rivalry is all about. And if you think the Louisville media think UL and Pitino are non issues, you have no idea what you are talking about.