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Radiated
10-11-2008, 10:18 PM
1st down. Run up the middle.
2. 3 yard pass.
3. -3 yard screen.
4. punt.

I'm sorry, but if you keep running screens, and 3 yard tosses to your backs, your going to be in for a very long season.

badbrad
10-11-2008, 10:28 PM
Agree Strongly! Seems like you could write our whole offense playbook on a matchbook cover.

Rockober
10-11-2008, 10:40 PM
I guess we will soon see firejokerphillips.com soon.:shrug1: Rediculous thread. Doom and gloom for the program. Kentucky lost to Bama and South Carolina and were not favored in either game.

kyrgaines
10-11-2008, 10:45 PM
I've seen these coaches do great things but I didn't particularly care for Coach calling out Locke in his post-game interview.... "You wanted him, you got 'em" There isn't a back out there that will compensate for a lack of offense everywhere else on the field. He should know better than that. I have seen nothing but pure potential from Cobb. I understand that he may not be the future QB, but Cobb is no good out there if you don't have a QB that can get him the ball. There are so many things they can do with him out there and they just won't.

badbrad
10-11-2008, 10:46 PM
Actually thought we were favored to win the SC game. You'd think playing on our home turf would give us an advantage giving the fact talent wise the teams matched up pretty good.

Don't know how you can't be a little suspect of the play calling. Personally, I like Joker.....but we do seem to be consistently running the same plays over and over again with the same results.

scathendo
10-11-2008, 10:54 PM
coming from a mod... i'm surprised. not only is the post not a doom and gloom post but a poster's honest opinion of the lack of creativity coming out of our offense, there was no personal attack or calling out of anyone in particular by the poster. it's not about the program falling apart. it's not even about our performance in the 'bama and SC game but about the performance (more correctly - the lack of performance) of the offense in every game this season. IMO the poster is correct. if we don't open it up and get more creative and be more willing to play to win and not play to not lose, we'll be in for a long rest of the season.

Rockober
10-11-2008, 10:55 PM
Actually thought we were favored to win the SC game. You'd think playing on our home turf would give us an advantage giving the fact talent wise the teams matched up pretty good.

Don't know how you can't be a little suspect of the play calling. Personally, I like Joker.....but we do seem to be consistently running the same plays over and over again with the same results.

South Carolina was favored by three. I am disappointed in the offense so far. I thought UK would have a better running game by far with the backs we have. UK is definately playing conservative and UK has had an opportunity to win both games. Lyons going out probably made the play calling even more conservative.

scathendo
10-11-2008, 11:10 PM
i did not get a chance to hear post game comments but if coach really said that it would be disappointing. not only that he called him out but that he failed to see that locke turned in the best performance to date by any of our backs and probably would have been able to do more if the downfield passing game would have been able to move the linebackers at all.

locke led the team in receptions (8 for 57 yards) and had a 3.4 yard average with 15 carries for 53 yards (per uk athletics). that's 23 touches for 110. yards. that's about 4.8 yards per touch. any success down field and the linebackers start to have to make a decision about covering the run or the pass and just a bit of daylight would be opened up for locke. his numbers are respectable and he was going 1 on 3 and 4 all afternoon.

'you wanted him, you got 'em' ...thanks coach, i'll take em!:thumbup:

wildcatreligion
10-12-2008, 12:04 AM
You do not know how tired i am of yelling, "Throw the dang ball," at my tv. When i mean that i mean actually throw it, not a screen pass. And when it was throwen down field it was always to the middle. I do not remeber Hartline throwing any fade passes down the sideline whatsover.

BigblueDrew
10-12-2008, 12:43 AM
Joker has demonstrated that when given adequate weapons he can call a very explosive offensive game. It is obvious to me that Joker has 0 confidence in his QB's ability to execute anything but the most simple and basic game plan. I think our O-line actually played a decent game against a very solid line. Hartline had ample time to make throws most of the afternoon. Our formula this year is to play very vanilla offense and rely on the defense to win the games. We punted, what 14 times today. NOBODY wins an SEC game punting the ball that much. We also had Seven, three and outs. You simply can't expect a defense to hold up that long against SEC competition.
I like Brooks, think he is a very good coach, but I don't see how calling out a kid who played his guts out today makes us any better. It seems to me the coaches need to get together tomorrow and think up a new offensive game plan, because if we don't given our remaining schedule we only win 2 more games(Maybe). A great defense is a fine thing but in the SEC you face too many great athletes to win many without the ability to put points on the board. 6-6 or 5-7 look like a distinct possibility, without an offensive overhaul.

Radiated
10-12-2008, 12:54 AM
I guess we will soon see firejokerphillips.com soon.:shrug1: Rediculous thread. Doom and gloom for the program. Kentucky lost to Bama and South Carolina and were not favored in either game.

Show me one time in almost 5000 posts where I have ever said to fire a coach? I can't wait to see Joker take over. I will be exstatic.

There is no doom or gloom from me. That was the playcalling today it seemed like. When you have 3rd and 3 and you throw a -5 yard pass, what good does it do? You might get it once in awhile I guess.

I'm love this defense.

But this offense cannot score. The passing game sucks. The running game sucks. When the defense cannot get off the field they are going to get tired. I don't care how good of shape you are in. The offfense had 2 firstdowns in the second half.

CatFanInTheBathtub
10-12-2008, 08:19 AM
That was the playcalling today it seemed like.

But the thread title refers to the Ark. game so which is it? you seemed to be suggesting, in a negative way, that our play-calling will lose alot of games for us.

you know, it's real easy to sit behind a screen name and criticize play-calling, say this sucks and that sucks but how about some answers? How about some offering of solutions? What should have been called instead? we went down the field a few times. twice we were intercepted and most other times our combination of an inexperienced qb and inexperienced receivers resulted in balls being misthrown, dropped, or defended like they knew what was coming.

It's not like over the summer Joker went to a predictable play-calling workshop. As BigBlueDrew said, Joker has shown over the years that with adequate weapons, he can produce a dangerous offense. This year, he's looking at an artillery full of water balloons and nerf guns. In his situation what else is there to do but be as conservative as possible and try to get yards AFTER THE CATCH. Yesterday the strategy was the same it has been all year. 4 times out of 6 the strategy worked. Last week it damn near worked. This week it looked horrible against what is probably one of the 2-3 best defenses in the sec. The playcalling was fit for the personnel on the field. And that is what we need to change......the personnel

Rockober
10-12-2008, 08:24 AM
Show me one time in almost 5000 posts where I have ever said to fire a coach? I can't wait to see Joker take over. I will be exstatic.

There is no doom or gloom from me. That was the playcalling today it seemed like. When you have 3rd and 3 and you throw a -5 yard pass, what good does it do? You might get it once in awhile I guess.

I'm love this defense.

But this offense cannot score. The passing game sucks. The running game sucks. When the defense cannot get off the field they are going to get tired. I don't care how good of shape you are in. The offfense had 2 firstdowns in the second half.


I never said you stated that Joker should be fired!!! From most of the posts last night it sure read like doom and gloom to me. Kentucky was not very good offensively and the stats were even worse once Dickey got knocked out of the game.
In this thread alone I have read that Brooks sucks, our offense sucks, our passing sucks....................a little bit harsh.
I was hoping for a more creative offensive plan but it didn't happen yesterday. I believe some of the credit must go to South Carolina's defense. There have been quite a few teams struggling this year on offense: South Carolina, Auburn, Michigan, and obviously Kentucky.
Kentucky just never seems to be on the right page when they play South Carolina. I am not sure if its the Spurrier mystique, players just trying too hard, or just a weird coincidence.
Arkansas will be a challenge but UK will bounce back and UK's offense will hopefully loo much better as the Hogs "D" is not as stout as Bama, South Carolina or Kentucky.

Brian McCat
10-12-2008, 09:22 AM
Joker has demonstrated that when given adequate weapons he can call a very explosive offensive game. It is obvious to me that Joker has 0 confidence in his QB's ability to execute anything but the most simple and basic game plan. I think our O-line actually played a decent game against a very solid line.

Drew, I'm leaning your way. I think he's just trying to make the best with what he has to work with. The talking heads were right- you can't lose Woodson, Tamme, Burton, and Johnson without a huge dropoff in production.

Amen about the OL!

SCBlu
10-12-2008, 09:23 AM
Actually thought we were favored to win the SC game. You'd think playing on our home turf would give us an advantage giving the fact talent wise the teams matched up pretty good.

Don't know how you can't be a little suspect of the play calling. Personally, I like Joker.....but we do seem to be consistently running the same plays over and over again with the same results.

Regrettably, we appear running the same plays because anything else is beyond our skill level.

catman4life
10-12-2008, 12:48 PM
you know, it's real easy to sit behind a screen name and criticize play-calling, say this sucks and that sucks but how about some answers? How about some offering of solutions? What should have been called instead? we went down the field a few times. twice we were intercepted and most other times our combination of an inexperienced qb and inexperienced receivers resulted in balls being misthrown, dropped, or defended like they knew what was coming.

It's not like over the summer Joker went to a predictable play-calling workshop. As BigBlueDrew said, Joker has shown over the years that with adequate weapons, he can produce a dangerous offense. This year, he's looking at an artillery full of water balloons and nerf guns. In his situation what else is there to do but be as conservative as possible and try to get yards AFTER THE CATCH. Yesterday the strategy was the same it has been all year. 4 times out of 6 the strategy worked. Last week it damn near worked. This week it looked horrible against what is probably one of the 2-3 best defenses in the sec. The playcalling was fit for the personnel on the field. And that is what we need to change......the personnel

I agree with the personnel change thought. However, I disagree with your playcalling ideas. I think that you continue to try to kep your playcalling unpredictable. Go long a little more often. Run some misdirection plays (i.e. end around, fake dive pitch outs, hook and ladders, etc.). Not just a steady dose of speed guys up the middle(speed needs to go around the end), three yard screens and the like. Make defense at least "think" about the deep throw, even if you don't complete it. Also, Hartline has to make his throws quicker and more on target. I can't count how many passes were high or at their toes yesterday, and it wasn't the O-lines fault.

Radiated
10-12-2008, 12:55 PM
Actually, I didn't mean to put Arkansas, I meant USC.

But anyhow.

The receivers do not block good on the screens, nor the sweeps. Blocking usually gets a few more yards.

I still don't think Hartline is the answer. If you don't want Cobb at QB, then I think they should give Fiddler a try.

Brian McCat
10-12-2008, 01:59 PM
Actually, I didn't mean to put Arkansas, I meant USC.

But anyhow.

The receivers do not block good on the screens, nor the sweeps. Blocking usually gets a few more yards.

I saw Dicky miss a crucial block on one of those screens that as a result got blown up.

Blue Heaven
10-12-2008, 02:23 PM
1st down. Run up the middle.
2. 3 yard pass.
3. -3 yard screen.
4. punt.

I'm sorry, but if you keep running screens, and 3 yard tosses to your backs, your going to be in for a very long season.
That has been the play calling all year and it seems unlikely to change.
We need a burst of energy into this offense and that burst has got to be Randall Cobb. I can't wait to hear the call in show Monday.

Russ24ky
10-12-2008, 02:28 PM
I guess we will soon see firejokerphillips.com soon.:shrug1: Rediculous thread. Doom and gloom for the program. Kentucky lost to Bama and South Carolina and were not favored in either game.

I totally agree... We lose to LSU 49-0 in 2006 and FIRE BROOKS STARTED..

Were 4-2
We have 3-4 Winnable games.. Yes Winnable games still
and already the sky is falling

if were 4-6 then Panic... until then.. PLEASE PLEASE
Let Coach try t o fix it

(FWIW.. I haved NEVER said 1 bad thing about Brooks since he has been here..NOT ONE)