UCLA breathes a sigh of relief.

[Dr. H Lecter]

UCLA fans breathe a deep sigh of relief.Sitting back now,looking at the situation in Westwood, they understand that they were at a crossroads just three short years ago. Their make or break moment would comein the search to replace coach Steve Lavin. They looked out into the coaching landscape for a coach who could rebuild their once proud program into the powerhouse it once was.

http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/College_Football/42_howland2-11.JPG

Who better for the job, at least when you listened to the hype, was the old coach of the University of Kentucky. He was exactly the kind of person it would take to return the Bruin's to the top of the heap. One little problem, however, he already had a job. But a small commuter school in Kentucky would be no match for the mighty UCLA and its tradition.Rumorsswirled that there would bean offer.... yet "Boston Rick" Pitino making yet another bad career decision said, "no thanks."

Undaunted, they moved on to Pittsburgh's Ben Howland (http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/howland_ben00.html). Howland, who Tom Jurich never considered in his search process, was identified by UCLA's search committee as the man for the job. They offered. He accepted. Now UCLAwould take its first steps to quickly rebuilding into the NCAA finals. Howland has done the job. He's rebuilt rebuilt in just 3 short years. He has done so with young players and little fanfare. He doesn't just talk a big game. He gets it done.

At the same time Boston Rick inhis 5th season has stumbled and fumbled Little Brother's program into yet another NIT. He marched his team into 12th place in a league that accomplished nothing on the hardwood and only big wins in the papers.

Yes, UCLA takes a deep breath and with a sigh of relief they see that the made the best choice. Otherwise they would probably have been getting thumped by the SEC's South Carolina in the NIT's instead of by the SEC's Florida in the NCAA's.


Congrats to UCLA for rejoining UK, UNC, Duke and KU as the nations elite programs.

[Yuleofell]

Congrats to UCLA for rejoining UK, UNC, Duke and KU as the nations elite programs.

Sorry Dr., Uk and KU no longer qualify as "elite". You need to substitute Uconn in there . I would put Gonzaga ahead of either Uk or Ku now.

[NOknee6of7]

This garbage would have some sort of merit had we not gone to that darn Final Four thing last year, that uk fans try oh so desperately to forget happened. Sorry, but it did....and in his FOURTH year. Wow, big difference. You wish you were among the elite. We come before you do. Final Four drought....year #9, and counting. Knock, knock, knockin on decades door....hey, hey, hey......hey, heyyyyy!

[Dr. H Lecter]

NOknee6of7 wrote: This garbage would have some sort of merit had we not gone to that darn Final Four thing last year, that uk fans try oh so desperately to forget happened. Sorry, but it did....and in his FOURTH year. Wow, big difference. You wish you were among the elite. We come before you do. Final Four drought....year #9, and counting. Knock, knock, knockin on decades door....hey, hey, hey......hey, heyyyyy!
Congrats. Now you can say that you accomplished the same thing as GMU....except that GMU did it this year.

When you bet on a horse you look at his recent races not what he did a year ago. That is why the fact that your horse is on the decline is important. Boston Ricks recent failures with the Celtics and now with this past seasons fiasco.....its an obvious trend that cannot be ignored.

Once again, I'm thrilled that your fans have become so easy to please that an early round final 4 waxing takes away the sting on NO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS is 20 years and the fact that youve NEVER been ranked #1 in the polls. Maybe that is why Pitino came to LilBro. You have much lower expectations than we.

[NOknee6of7]

Such high expectations that you settle for ZERO Final Four's in 8 years??? I mean, are you listening to yourself??? Do you understand how retarded that sounds??? Who cares what the final score was in the Final Four. WE WERE THERE.....you weren't. Why do you think uk fans ramble on about their history? Because they know they are fading fast. It's called desperation and it is a severe complex that all uk fans suffer from. Sitting at home last season watching us grab all the attention, especially after the great football season we had, really damages the puddytats ego's. Deal with it, because sweep #2 is right around the corner.

[KATZRKING]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Such high expectations that you settle for ZERO Final Four's in 8 years??? I mean, are you listening to yourself??? Do you understand how retarded that sounds??? Who cares what the final score was in the Final Four. WE WERE THERE.....you weren't. Why do you think uk fans ramble on about their history? Because they know they are fading fast. It's called desperation and it is a severe complex that all uk fans suffer from. Sitting at home last season watching us grab all the attention, especially after the great football season we had, really damages the puddytats ego's. Deal with it, because sweep #2 is right around the corner.
i Final Four in 20 years ain't no Big Deal..Got BetaMax watch the last one..

[Dr. H Lecter]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Such high expectations that you settle for ZERO Final Four's in 8 years??? I mean, are you listening to yourself??? Do you understand how retarded that sounds??? Who cares what the final score was in the Final Four. WE WERE THERE.....you weren't. Why do you think uk fans ramble on about their history? Because they know they are fading fast. It's called desperation and it is a severe complex that all uk fans suffer from. Sitting at home last season watching us grab all the attention, especially after the great football season we had, really damages the puddytats ego's. Deal with it, because sweep #2 is right around the corner.
"because sweep #2 is right around the corner." ROTFLMAO Yea I know WUNY!

2 NCAA Titles in the last 10 years...oh and I don't really even mention the one we lost in the final in 97...because we expect more than simply showing up.

Who cares about the score. Illinois I suppose. And then UNC soon thereafter. Because the score is the only thing that matters.

GMU was in the F4 this year and their record in final 4 games in the past 2 decades is the same as yours.According to your propagandist's,Boston Rick was supposed to be a permanent fixture in the final 4. I guess we didn't ask if they meant NCAA or NIT.

[BigBlue75]

Yuleofell wrote: Congrats to UCLA for rejoining UK, UNC, Duke and KU as the nations elite programs.

Sorry Dr., Uk and KU no longer qualify as "elite". You need to substitute Uconn in there . I would put Gonzaga ahead of either Uk or Ku now.
Self-edited post: Naw, never mind. I see no point in defending UK to someone who won't listen anyway. Sheesh!

[TrueblueCATfan]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Such high expectations that you settle for ZERO Final Four's in 8 years??? I mean, are you listening to yourself??? Do you understand how retarded that sounds??? Who cares what the final score was in the Final Four. WE WERE THERE.....you weren't. Why do you think uk fans ramble on about their history? Because they know they are fading fast. It's called desperation and it is a severe complex that all uk fans suffer from. Sitting at home last season watching us grab all the attention, especially after the great football season we had, really damages the puddytats ego's. Deal with it, because sweep #2 is right around the corner.
and you had ZERO final fours in 19 years.......................big difference Birdknee...........when we go to FINAL FOURS we win and go on and win it all...........you did not.............Try again.......loser in the NIT.....................and just what are you talking about sweeping us.................I believe we sweep you in basketball and baseball last year.....

[hoosierhateruklover]

Gonzaga a powerhouse...HAHA...more like a mid-major...... UConn....only 2 titles...KU is still a powerhouse despite failing to win it all..and certainly UK is...all-tim winningest program!

[NOknee6of7]

because sweep #2 is right around the corner." ROTFLMAO Yea I know WUNY!

2 NCAA Titles in the last 10 years...oh and I don't really even mention the one we lost in the final in 97...because we expect more than simply showing up.

Who cares about the score. Illinois (http://dinercity.com/?hotels-in-illinois) I suppose. And then UNC soon thereafter. Because the score is the only thing that matters.

GMU was in the F4 this year and their record in final 4 games in the past 2 decades is the same as yours.According to your propagandist's,Boston (http://draac.com/?maps-of-boston) Rick was supposed to be a permanent fixture in the final 4. I guess we didn't ask if they meant NCAA or NIT.



Yeah since Pitino has been here it's 3-2 (Stubby)with one of the games being handed to you. And Pitino had to totally rebuild. That is actually pretty pathetic for uk. I would be embarrassed. Hardly domination by either side. You know you won't win in Freedom Hall this year. Especially without the Turd and Rhonda...oh and Simms....stay tuned for more. You are merely buying time before sweep #2.

Ah, the glory days of the Pitino era. Well.....those are OVERRRRRR! NO MORE FINAL FOUR'S OR CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR YOU. As long as Tubby is there, it W-I-L-L.....N-O-T....H-A-P-P-E-N! Like I said before, it speaks volumes when we WANT your coach to stay, and you pray for the day that ours leaves. Nuff said.

CLEAN SWEEPS:

UofL- 1

uk- zippo

Deal with it.

[Dr. H Lecter]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Yeah since Pitino has been here it's 3-2 (Stubby)with one of the games being handed to you. And Pitino had to totally rebuild. That is actually pretty pathetic for uk. I would be embarrassed. Hardly domination by either side. You know you win in Freedom Hall this year. Especially without the Turd and Rhonda...oh and Simms....stay tuned for more. You are merely buying time before sweep #2.

Ah, the glory days of the Pitino era. Well.....those are OVERRRRRR! NO MORE FINAL FOUR'S OR CHAMPIONSHIPS FOR YOU. As long as Tubby is there, it W-I-L-L.....N-O-T....H-A-P-P-E-N! Like I said before, it speaks volumes when we WANT your coach to stay, and you pray for the day that ours leaves. Nuff said.

CLEAN SWEEPS:

UofL- 1

uk- zippo

Deal with it.



Yawn. I know WUNY!

Actually I am quite happy with my coach...and since yours is all used up, I'm happy the has-been Boston Rick is in LilBroVille. That way he cannot do any damage to our status as the nations elite program. He's yesterdays news. He, like Denny, has had his heyday. Unfortunately for you and Boston fans that day was at UK.

I actually worry more about Ben Howland at UCLA because he is obviously a good coach and they have more titles than we.

That is the only record worth having that another program owns.

[NOknee6of7]

Actually I am quite happy with my coach...


So are we. Somebody is lying....and it's not me. Hmmmmm.

[chworld22]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Actually I am quite happy with my coach...


So are we. Somebody is lying....and it's not me. Hmmmmm.



Let me ask you a question Noknee. You keep talking about this Final Four outside of last year how many NCAA tournament wins does good ole Rick have while at UL? I have the answer for you I won't even wait for you not to answer the answer is 1 versus Austin Peay.

1 NCAA tourney win in within 4 years yea that is something to be really proud of. You get to one final four and that makes up for 4 other years of complete mediocrity.

So if that is all it takes to make UL fans happy I guess that Rick will be there for life because you saw the top of what you are going to get last year.

[NOknee6of7]

Yes ch, it's called rebuilding. This gets so old. How many times do we have to go over this? And what's this outside of last year crap??? LMAO!! Yeah, outside of the Pitino era at uk you have nothing since 1978. Yeah, that's pretty easy to do. Good argument. Hey, outside of the corrupt days of point shaving, recruit buying, $100 handshakes, uk has 3 legit Championships. I could go on forever!

Nobody said UofL fans were happy about the NIT. We WERE disappointed....but once again we KNOW we will be back in the Final Four. It is a GIVEN. I would be a lil more concerned had it been nearly a decade. Call me crazy.

[TrueblueCATfan]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Actually I am quite happy with my coach...


So are we. Somebody is lying....and it's not me. Hmmmmm.

OH somebody is lying alright........your pathetic coaches.......

[TrueblueCATfan]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Yes ch, it's called rebuilding. This gets so old. How many times do we have to go over this? And what's this outside of last year crap??? LMAO!! Yeah, outside of the Pitino era at uk you have nothing since 1978. Yeah, that's pretty easy to do. Good argument. Hey, outside of the corrupt days of point shaving, recruit buying, $100 handshakes, uk has 3 legit Championships. I could go on forever!

Nobody said UofL fans were happy about the NIT. We WERE disappointed....but once again we KNOW we will be back in the Final Four. It is a GIVEN. I would be a lil more concerned had it been nearly a decade. Call me crazy.

Excuse Me......that has been his freaking excuse since he got there......we are young..we have injuries...we are rebuilding.......give it up the man is pulling your leg.....he is a spinmeister................give up Birdknee

[Dr. H Lecter]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Yes ch, it's called rebuilding. This gets so old. How many times do we have to go over this? And what's this outside of last year crap??? LMAO!! Yeah, outside of the Pitino era at uk you have nothing since 1978. Yeah, that's pretty easy to do. Good argument. Hey, outside of the corrupt days of point shaving, recruit buying, $100 handshakes, uk has 3 legit Championships. I could go on forever!

Nobody said UofL fans were happy about the NIT. We WERE disappointed....but once again we KNOW we will be back in the Final Four. It is a GIVEN. I would be a lil more concerned had it been nearly a decade. Call me crazy.


Rebuilding? They rebuilt Rome in less time.

UK is the "winningist" program in all of college basketball. Everyone knows that UK madeBoston Rick look good. He was able to recruit over his poor bench coaching ability.He was not even the first option back when we were looking to choose a coach to replace Sutton. Wedon't rebuild, wereload. I could coach UK and be successful because UK selects players, not offers them. Players are born who LIVE to wear a UK jersey, regardless of the coach at the time.

Boys are not born or do they dream to go to a commuter college. Well, maybe some inside the I-264, but thankfully that area has not produced a D1 player in years that would matter.

Boston Rick is on his way down the hill since he is OVER the hill. Boston proved that. He looks old, worn and confused on the sideline.

Now your latest NIT season has proved that you are not a stable program and "rebuilding" is something that will ALWAYS need to be accomplished. Like GMU, you'll have a good year, a bad year or two then a decent year. NIT's sprinkled in with some first round flame-outs. Without Dean you are destined for another NIT season. The rest of your team is PATHETIC.

I love it that you guys are so hard up that Boston Rick looks good to you. Heck, our old assistant Billy D is much more attractive a coaching candidate than your has-been.

[Yuleofell]

Actually Billy D is looking a lot better tha Tubby too. I bet if you polled the nation outside Kenucky, 75 to 80 % of the people would rate Donovan as the best coach. Pitino would be second with about 15 %. Tubby would get the huge remainding percentage.

I know I would never trade Pitino for Tubby, and I did not want Pitino.

[NOknee6of7]

I could coach UK and be successful because UK selects players, not offers them. Players are born who LIVE to wear a UK jersey, regardless of the coach at the time.


For the first time in the history of the board,I can honestly say that I am speechless. You wonder why the entire countryrides on uk fans. Hands down, beyond a doubt the most delusional fanbase on the face of the earth. Not even close.

This is why you have been picking up our scraps in basketball AND football. Because we have the better coaches PERIOD. Kids get their feelings hurt when they are pushed aside like last night left overs, so they run crying to uk. If uk "picks and chooses who they want, just where have all the top recruits been??? Not at uk, I 'll tell you that. And the ones that you struggle to hold on to want out ASAP. Dude, I really hope you are not serious with those statements. I REALLY hope for your sake that you are laughing out loud as you type that stuff. Bbecause if you are not, you need to be checked in somewhere. That is so far from the truth I wouldn't even know where to begin. I will merely say this, Tubby has out recruited Rick ONE time in the 5 seasons Rick has been here. You guys are the ultimate spin masters. When Stubby recruits the projects and a crap class you say he wants the four year players, he didn't want the one-n-dones. Then when he got the 3 McD's AA it was an entirely different tune. What a joke.

[TrueblueCATfan]

Yuleofell wrote: Actually Billy D is looking a lot better tha Tubby too. I bet if you polled the nation outside Kenucky, 75 to 80 % of the people would rate Donovan as the best coach. Pitino would be second with about 15 %. Tubby would get the huge remainding percentage.

I know I would never trade Pitino for Tubby, and I did not want Pitino.

well we are sorry you don't have any brains:tongue

[Dr. H Lecter]

Yuleofell wrote: Actually Billy D is looking a lot better tha Tubby too. I bet if you polled the nation outside Kenucky, 75 to 80 % of the people would rate Donovan as the best coach. Pitino would be second with about 15 %. Tubby would get the huge remainding percentage.

I know I would never trade Pitino for Tubby, and I did not want Pitino.



That's because UofL's fan's do not want a black guy as their coach. You proved it with Ron Cooper and the same would apply for Tubby.

I am not trying to play the race card but you can look at your coaching staffs at all levels and you'll see that Jurich hires or maintains"white guys." Look at womens hoops. There were many qualified women to coach yet he hired yet another "white guy" in a female coaching position.

Your VB program has to go to Russia for yet another "white guy." Not to mention the fact that Yelin wasproved to be the dirtiest cheat in all of D1 volleyball. There are many qualified women who are clean.

These are just facts.

Your baseball program goes out and hires a pitching coach cheater with other "issues" from Miami whom no Tier 1 D1 school would touch.

No offense, but your program is filled with dirty coaches. We won't even mention a head coach that got dragged off into court for lying to a recruit. That one will pay dividends. LOL.

[chworld22]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Yes ch, it's called rebuilding. This gets so old. How many times do we have to go over this? And what's this outside of last year crap??? LMAO!! Yeah, outside of the Pitino era at uk you have nothing since 1978. Yeah, that's pretty easy to do. Good argument. Hey, outside of the corrupt days of point shaving, recruit buying, $100 handshakes, uk has 3 legit Championships. I could go on forever!

Nobody said UofL fans were happy about the NIT. We WERE disappointed....but once again we KNOW we will be back in the Final Four. It is a GIVEN. I would be a lil more concerned had it been nearly a decade. Call me crazy.


Rebuilding a program like UL should not take 5 years and also when you are rebuilding and get to a final four don't you think that the nexyt year you should at least make the tournament. Come on Noknee you guys have not even gotten to the tournament two of the five years Rick has been there and one of those years is the last one. The final four year seems to be an anomaly instead of the rule. Think clearly about itinstead of just trying to be snappy on a board.

Outside of the years Rick was at UK we won 6 NCAA titles and outside of the years we got caught cheating we still have more national titles than UL so I wouldn't go down that road if I were you.

UL had one good year when they made it to the final four not a national title but a final four and that makes the other four years ok. I am just saying that if Ricks last name was majarus instead of Pitino he would have been out on his ear the second year or third year. I like watching UL most of the time and many of my friends are UL fans and I don't understand why this guy gets a pass for so many years of early exits from the tournament. IF Tubby didn't make it out of the first round of the NCAA tournament three of the the next five years he would run out of town.

[NOknee6of7]

IF Tubby didn't make it out of the first round of the NCAA tournament three of the the next five years he would run out of town.



Once again, Tubby started with a CHAMPIONSHIP team in his lap....not a 12-20 team. Hate to throughly mangle your argument, but if Tubby can't make it to the Final Four with his own players, what do you think he would have done with a 12-20 team. Exactly.

You guys want to ignore certain facts to make your feeble argument look halfway decent, but facts are facts. You can't even begin to compare the two. Your coach started with freakin 6 NBA players on the team. Pitino started with a team that the NIT wouldn't even consider inviting. HUGE difference man. And Pitino STILL has taken back to the Final Four. This argument can go on forever, but it is becoming tiresome. It's the same ole crap. UofL fans know for aFACT we will be back to the Final Four, and uk fans can only pray that it doesn't happen. Pitino is bringing in the talent to get us there. There is no denying us man, sorry. I would worry about your own team if I were you. Year #9....

[Yuleofell]

Dr. H Lecter wrote: Yuleofell wrote: Actually Billy D is looking a lot better tha Tubby too. I bet if you polled the nation outside Kenucky, 75 to 80 % of the people would rate Donovan as the best coach. Pitino would be second with about 15 %. Tubby would get the huge remainding percentage.

I know I would never trade Pitino for Tubby, and I did not want Pitino.



That's because UofL's fan's do not want a black guy as their coach. You proved it with Ron Cooper and the same would apply for Tubby.

I am not trying to play the race card but you can look at your coaching staffs at all levels and you'll see that Jurich hires or maintains"white guys." Look at womens hoops. There were many qualified women to coach yet he hired yet another "white guy" in a female coaching position.

Your VB program has to go to Russia for yet another "white guy." Not to mention the fact that Yelin wasproved to be the dirtiest cheat in all of D1 volleyball. There are many qualified women who are clean.

These are just facts.

Your baseball program goes out and hires a pitching coach cheater with other "issues" from Miami whom no Tier 1 D1 school would touch.

No offense, but your program is filled with dirty coaches. We won't even mention a head coach that got dragged off into court for lying to a recruit. That one will pay dividends. LOL.


OMG! You have discovered T.J.'s secret plan to convert UK fans! All white male coaches! No wonder we have so many "converts" on our boards.

[NOknee6of7]

OMG! You have discovered T.J.'s secret plan to convert UK fans! All white male coaches! No wonder we have so many "converts" on our boards.


LMAO!! There are some things on this board that are just so retarded,I refuse to even respond to them. Another one of the stereotypes uk fans....and the entire $EC are trying to shed which is their racist past. You can sugarcoat a piece of crap all you want but guess what....

Hey, maybe Rupp is the REAL reason uk can even buy themselves back into the Final Four. He is rolling around in his grave right now.

[Dr. H Lecter]

NOknee6of7 wrote: OMG! You have discovered T.J.'s secret plan to convert UK fans! All white male coaches! No wonder we have so many "converts" on our boards.
LMAO!! There are some things on this board that are just so retarded,I refuse to even respond to them. Another one of the stereotypes uk fans....and the entire $EC are trying to shed which is their racist past. You can sugarcoat a piece of crap all you want but guess what....

Hey, maybe Rupp is the REAL reason uk can even buy themselves back into the Final Four. He is rolling around in his grave right now.

We all know facts have never stopped you from making a fool of yourself. Stereotypes are just that...stereotypes, yet facts show us that Jurich's hiring practices look as though he's hiring for the home office of the Klan.

Look at the diversity of our coaching staffs and then look at all the "white guys" in yours. Joke about 40 year old ancient history all you want but TODAY is a different time....yet your urban institution is still lilly white. Hum...

[TrueblueCATfan]

IF slick Rick goes to the NIT one more time he should be run out of town......just like he was in Boston

[chworld22]

NOknee6of7 wrote: IF Tubby didn't make it out of the first round of the NCAA tournament three of the the next five years he would run out of town.



Once again, Tubby started with a CHAMPIONSHIP team in his lap....not a 12-20 team. Hate to throughly mangle your argument, but if Tubby can't make it to the Final Four with his own players, what do you think he would have done with a 12-20 team. Exactly.

You guys want to ignore certain facts to make your feeble argument look halfway decent, but facts are facts. You can't even begin to compare the two. Your coach started with freakin 6 NBA players on the team. Pitino started with a team that the NIT wouldn't even consider inviting. HUGE difference man. And Pitino STILL has taken back to the Final Four. This argument can go on forever, but it is becoming tiresome. It's the same ole crap. UofL fans know for aFACT we will be back to the Final Four, and uk fans can only pray that it doesn't happen. Pitino is bringing in the talent to get us there. There is no denying us man, sorry. I would worry about your own team if I were you. Year #9....


You are not mangling my argument because my argument still has the point that Pitino has had five years there five years is plenty of time to finish your rebuilding. He has had one year with more than one NCAA tourney game win. One win. Tubby has on a regular basis gotten to the elite eight or sweet sixteen with his own players while Pitino has seen that once with his own players. Facts are facts you can twist and turn them any way you wish but one final four and two early exits and two no shows doesn't make you an elite program. You can win all the games you want in the regular season this is a game of post season and Pitino has not lived up to expectations yet. Maybe he will but he hasn't yet and I don't understand why he gets this pass on all these bad years.

How can you say they know for a fact they will be back there when they can't even get in the tournament two out of five years. You are full of hat air and high hopes and that is it.

By the way I do worry about my own team and we have issues also but I was discussing UL and Pitino. I think that Tubby has some serious coaching flaws he is too soft on conditioning and his system is too strict. He needs to allow players more freedom to shoot without fear of being pulled from the game. There are many other things besides those but that is just naming a few.

[LennyLyles]

Dr. H Lecter wrote: NOknee6of7 wrote: OMG! You have discovered T.J.'s secret plan to convert UK fans! All white male coaches! No wonder we have so many "converts" on our boards.
LMAO!! There are some things on this board that are just so retarded,I refuse to even respond to them. Another one of the stereotypes uk fans....and the entire $EC are trying to shed which is their racist past. You can sugarcoat a piece of crap all you want but guess what....

Hey, maybe Rupp is the REAL reason uk can even buy themselves back into the Final Four. He is rolling around in his grave right now.

We all know facts have never stopped you from making a fool of yourself. Stereotypes are just that...stereotypes, yet facts show us that Jurich's hiring practices look as though he's hiring for the home office of the Klan.

Look at the diversity of our coaching staffs and then look at all the "white guys" in yours. Joke about 40 year old ancient history all you want but TODAY is a different time....yet your urban institution is still lilly white. Hum...


Very good point about facts and making fools of ourselves. Just to get the facts on the table, according to the data I have on hand:

6 of Louisville's 16 head coaches are not white males. Of our two associate AD's, only one is a white male. Of the 16 members of the Athletic Administration, 7 are not white males. Further, 35 of 54 members of the athletic department staff are not white males.

[Dr. H Lecter]

LennyLyles wrote: Very good point about facts and making fools of ourselves. Just to get the facts on the table, according to the data I have on hand:

6 of Louisville's 16 head coaches are not white males. Of our two associate AD's, only one is a white male. Of the 16 members of the Athletic Administration, 7 are not white males. Further, 35 of 54 members of the athletic department staff are not white males.




Of the top paying jobs in the Athletic Department

AD - Jurich
Mens Basketball Coach "Boston Rick"
Football Coachand used car salesman Petrino
Womens Basketball Coach - Collen
Men's Basball Coach - Prado
Womens Volleyball Coach - Yellin
Mens Soccer Coach - Lolla

All are white men.

Now I don't know who all these other women and african americans are in the UofL coaching ranks and athletic dept but I think you might be confusing the wait-staff with the administration. FACTS are the big money is being paid to the list above. Heck the womensrowing teamcoach is even a white guy. Although Jurich hires those who "look like him" at least they don't wear that stupid turtleneck.

[LennyLyles]

Dr. H Lecter wrote: LennyLyles wrote: Very good point about facts and making fools of ourselves. Just to get the facts on the table, according to the data I have on hand:

6 of Louisville's 16 head coaches are not white males. Of our two associate AD's, only one is a white male. Of the 16 members of the Athletic Administration, 7 are not white males. Further, 35 of 54 members of the athletic department staff are not white males.




Of the top paying jobs in the Athletic Department

AD - Jurich
Mens Basketball Coach "Boston Rick"
Football Coachand used car salesman Petrino
Womens Basketball Coach - Collen
Men's Basball Coach - Prado
Womens Volleyball Coach - Yellin
Mens Soccer Coach - Lolla

All are white men.

Now I don't know who all these other women and african americans are in the UofL coaching ranks and athletic dept but I think you might be confusing the wait-staff with the administration. FACTS are the big money is being paid to the list above. Heck the womensrowing teamcoach is even a white guy. Although Jurich hires those who "look like him" at least they don't wear that stupid turtleneck.

I see--I didn't realize when you said "coaching staffs" you were actually only talking about "top paying coaching jobs inhabited by white men." Thanks for the correction. I realize you don't know who the rest are and this is probably why you are making this bizarre argument about UofL being 'lily white' compared to UK's Rainbow Coalition. So we can leave the "wait staff" out of your list of Jurich's Hitler Youth and just say:

7 of Louisville's 16 head coaches are not white males. *



* not limited to high revenue teams of Lecter's choosing.

[BigBlue75]

NOknee6of7 wrote: IF Tubby didn't make it out of the first round of the NCAA tournament three of the the next five years he would run out of town.



Once again, Tubby started with a CHAMPIONSHIP team in his lap....not a 12-20 team. Hate to throughly mangle your argument, but if Tubby can't make it to the Final Four with his own players, what do you think he would have done with a 12-20 team. Exactly.

You guys want to ignore certain facts to make your feeble argument look halfway decent, but facts are facts. You can't even begin to compare the two. Your coach started with freakin 6 NBA players on the team. Pitino started with a team that the NIT wouldn't even consider inviting. HUGE difference man. And Pitino STILL has taken back to the Final Four. This argument can go on forever, but it is becoming tiresome. It's the same ole crap. UofL fans know for aFACT we will be back to the Final Four, and uk fans can only pray that it doesn't happen. Pitino is bringing in the talent to get us there. There is no denying us man, sorry. I would worry about your own team if I were you. Year #9....

The only thing that is truly a FACT is that whatever you call a FACT is nothing more than your opinion. If it's a fact that U of L is going back to the Final Four, howza bout giving us the date? What year will this happen? And if you know for certain this will happen, who will the opponent be? IF these are facts, surely they must be written down somewhere.

You are right about one thing, though. This is getting tiresome.

Same old tired Cardinal mantra.. Talk about it enough and it will happen.

You all probably think if you stand in a garage long enough and wish for it long enough, someone will drive up and give you a Mercedes. Sheesh!

[Dr. H Lecter]

LennyLyles wrote:
I see--I didn't realize when you said "coaching staffs" you were actually only talking about "top paying coaching jobs inhabited by white men." Thanks for the correction. I realize you don't know who the rest are and this is probably why you are making this bizarre argument about UofL being 'lily white' compared to UK's Rainbow Coalition. So we can leave the "wait staff" out of your list of Jurich's Hitler Youth and just say:

7 of Louisville's 16 head coaches are not white males. *



* not limited to high revenue teams of Lecter's choosing.




Don't forget that these coaches you hold up rake in about 10% of the salaries.

Don't forget, our highest paid coach and employee of the UK is a "black guy." You all ran off your "black guy" FB coach and didn't give him a fare shot IMO. It not surprising that you would make excuses for your admin's hiring practices. I just hope you do the same thing when quota % requirementsfor minority contractors on UofL construction projects are discussed.

[LennyLyles]

Lecter, the only thing I have forgotten is why you are coming at things from this weird angle to begin with. But I'll leave it alone, and you can carry on--it will be interesting to watch cat fans on the same messageboard simultaneously accuse UofL of being too urban and not urban enough.

[Dr. H Lecter]

LennyLyles wrote: Lecter, the only thing I have forgotten is why you are coming at things from this weird angle to begin with. But I'll leave it alone, and you can carry on--it will be interesting to watch cat fans on the same messageboard simultaneously accuse UofL of being too urban and not urban enough.
To summarize. Your fan said that UofL would never want Tubby. I pointed out that this was not a surprise because Jurich does not hire black guys. Does that help?

I don't think we ever "accuse" LilBro of being "too urban." We may tease you guys about your supposed "urban mission" when it comes to its poor education reputation and being a Tier 5 institution. This is often used as a crutch to excuse the fact that you are spending millions in salaries to coaches and not professors or academic necessities. All in all I guess you guys do just fine for a commuter college.

[LennyLyles]

Well, Jurich does hire black guys. But never mind. Maybe he should try and be a little more diverse when it comes to who he hires, like Mitch. Afterall, Mitch hired NCAA football's equivalent of a Wal-Mart greeter.

[NotFrank]

LennyLyles wrote: Well, Jurich does hire black guys. But never mind. Maybe he should try and be a little more diverse when it comes to who he hires, like Mitch. Afterall, Mitch hired NCAA football's equivalent of a Wal-Mart greeter.
Can we agree that both schools could probably do a little better? UL nor UK should be bragging about equality in it's hiring practices I'm sure.

[TrueblueCATfan]

LennyLyles wrote: Well, Jurich does hire black guys. But never mind. Maybe he should try and be a little more diverse when it comes to who he hires, like Mitch. Afterall, Mitch hired NCAA football's equivalent of a Wal-Mart greeter.
just what this board needs...............another Loserville fan.......................I would rather have a Walmart Greeter than a LIAR......:tongue

[Dr. H Lecter]

LennyLyles wrote: Well, Jurich does hire black guys. But never mind. Maybe he should try and be a little more diverse when it comes to who he hires, like Mitch. Afterall, Mitch hired NCAA football's equivalent of a Wal-Mart greeter.

I know he does. In fact I understand that the guy who cuts his grass is black....as is his maid. No word if either has a green card though.

[Dr. H Lecter]

NotFrank wrote: LennyLyles wrote: Well, Jurich does hire black guys. But never mind. Maybe he should try and be a little more diverse when it comes to who he hires, like Mitch. Afterall, Mitch hired NCAA football's equivalent of a Wal-Mart greeter.
Can we agree that both schools could probably do a little better? UL nor UK should be bragging about equality in it's hiring practices I'm sure.
I don't think UK has anything to be ashamed of when compared to LilBRo. Our head basketball coach and our #2 football coach position (OC) Joker, are filled by "black guys" the last time I looked. We actually have a women coaching our womens hoops team.

Despite Lil Bro's fans constant attempts to dredge up the 1960's to make ridiculous arguments that have no basis in 2006, UK and MB is doing better than Jurich at leveling the playing field for women/minorities and he should be applauded for it.

[NOknee6of7]

Whoa Lester. I believe Lenny just hung you by your mullet and smacked the taste our of your mouth. Nice backpedaling there. So now it's only the highest paid coaches that matter. I see.

Pull your pants back up now. Tomorrow is a new day.

[chworld22]

I think this whole conversation has gone in a direction that it didn't need to go in. Time to cut bait and move on.

[Dr. H Lecter]

NOknee6of7 wrote: Whoa Lester. I believe Lenny just hung you by your mullet and smacked the taste our of your mouth. Nice backpedaling there. So now it's only the highest paid coaches that matter. I see.

Pull your pants back up now. Tomorrow is a new day.

If you don't understand the difference between a hire in the Basketball program or the football program vs. the Rowing coach or the tennis coach....then you are not as smart as you look. The major sports coaching jobsare a white guys only club at lil bro....in 2006 not 1966. There is no backpedaling from that fact.

[NOknee6of7]

If you don't understand the difference between a hire in the Basketball program (http://webseek.com/?get-moneyback-for-program) or the football program vs. the Rowing coach or the tennis coach....then you are not as smart as you look. The major sports coaching jobs (http://mactrainers.com/?healthcare-jobs)are a white guys only club at lil bro....in 2006 not 1966. There is no backpedaling from that fact.



Uh yeah buddy. Whatever you say. Anyway, tomorrow is a new day.



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[Yuleofell]

I want to personally applaud UK for their efforts in hiring minority coaches. In retrospect, hiring Brooks to avoid any talk of discrimination against the elderly almost makes sense now.

[rickdacatkilla]

this thread is over due for a lock down...