Come on Tubby "quit pulling our leg."

[ukcatfan]

We know that you have a 6-9, 250 pound PF that can jump out of the gym that is foaming at the mouth to sign with UK.

Oh, I thought this was April 1st and just looked to see that it is April 15. So I guess the joke is on all of us UK fans.

[Stretch]

This is nothing more than the message board equivalent of a drive-by shooting.

[BigBlue75]

Stretch wrote: This is nothing more than the message board equivalent of a drive-by shooting.

Ya got that right.

[m0fats]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


tubby = :thumbup

[Prince21]

A simple wrong would have been just fine.

[m0fats]

Prince21 wrote: A simple wrong would have been just fine.



:D

[BlueHeart]

I'll take "My wife the tramp" for 200 please.

[ukcatfan]

I do think that I hit a nerve about recruiting at UK.

Lighten up posters, one of these years a 6-9, 250 pounder will sign with UK.

The truth does hurt to the bone sometimes.

[KapitalCat]

ukcatfan wrote: I do think that I hit a nerve about recruiting at UK.

Lighten up posters, one of these years a 6-9, 250 pounder will sign with UK.

The truth does hurt to the bone sometimes.

while I disagree with the way you made the post ;), you're right that KY really needs that kind of player to go along with Meeks and Jasper. Character who is going to UofL has the body you're talking about but he plays disinterested.

[Blue Heaven]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul Posted by mOFATS

ROTFLMAO!:D

[scars.of.grace]

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
:D:D:D!

[ukcatfan]

Do you think thatCharacter is more interested in NBA rather than UL?

[BlueRazor]

ukcatfan wrote: Do you think thatCharacter is more interested in NBA rather than UL?

I don't see him staying four years but at 6 foot 9, 295 pounds and able to hit the 3-point shot I'd say he is definitely NBA material.

A year or two under Pitino could turn him into a top 5 pick.

I know UK doesn't have anyone under the rim to keep him from playing in the paint.

[rickdacatkilla]

BlueRazor wrote: ukcatfan wrote: Do you think thatCharacter is more interested in NBA rather than UL?

I don't see him staying four years but at 6 foot 9, 295 pounds and able to hit the 3-point shot I'd say he is definitely NBA material.

A year or two under Pitino could turn him into a top 5 pick.

I know UK doesn't have anyone under the rim to keep him from playing in the paint.

not sure about Character, but "Caracter" needs Pitino as much as we need him...This kid needs someone to lite a fire under himbig time.

[ukcatfan]

Is the only thing that will lite a fire under him, the smell of NBA money?

[SouthBeachWildcat]

m0fats wrote: What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


tubby = :thumbup

Someone is a Billy Madison fan :)

[CatFanInTheBathtub]

A general thought about Tubby's recruiting:

If it is true that he has slacked in thepf spot, thenI'd thinkis also true that he has done pretty well with the other four spots.

[poodoo]

CatFanInTheBathtub wrote: A general thought about Tubby's recruiting:

If it is true that he has slacked in thepf spot, thenI'd thinkis also true that he has done pretty well with the other four spots.



Good point, CFITB. FWIW, I think both are true.

[Chunks06]

poodoo wrote: CatFanInTheBathtub wrote: A general thought about Tubby's recruiting:

If it is true that he has slacked in thepf spot, thenI'd thinkis also true that he has done pretty well with the other four spots.



Good point, CFITB. FWIW, I think both are true.


This is a great point. I hate to bring up the ole variance theory again but it could be applied here. We are recruiting top guards all over the place. Some very strong centers just no look in the forward spot. Every school wiffs on recruits every year. Just seems like we are going through a period when the majorities of ours are forwards. heck, the next five years we might have the best crop pf forwards and no guards. Hopefully not but it does happen.

[KapitalCat]

ukcatfan wrote: Do you think thatCharacter is more interested in NBA rather than UL?
Good question and who knows. He certainly has an NBA body and if he listens to Rick he's going to be terrific. Some kids can be motivated by the NBA and that allows them to play well at the college level, some as we know, have an eye on the NBA and it gets in the way of team goals.

[Will Lavender]

ukcatfan wrote: Is the only thing that will lite a fire under him, the smell of NBA money?
He seemed to have fire in 1998 and 1999. Also in 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2005.

That's 6 years of the 9 he has been here that UK has performed, even in the NCAA Tournament, well above (in terms of the regular season) and above (in the tournament) the school's historical average.

[FrogtownRoadCat]

Will Lavender wrote: ukcatfan wrote: Is the only thing that will lite a fire under him, the smell of NBA money?
He seemed to have fire in 1998 and 1999. Also in 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2005.

That's 6 years of the 9 he has been here that UK has performed, even in the NCAA Tournament, well above (in terms of the regular season) and above (in the tournament) the school's historical average.

2001 team turmoil era lost in the sweet sixteen of the ncaa tourney with double digit losses. look at the talent on that team too. all in all, not a stellar performance.

2004 lost in the second round of the ncaa tourney as a number 1 seed.

surely historical performance (regular season in the case of 2001 and tournament in the case of 2004) is better. i'm sure someone on here can cite the historicalnumber of elite eight appearances by UK, which i recall is a very high number (perhaps the highest?). i do recall that UK's record in those games is not very good though.

The case for the Tubster is enhanced by looking at each season in isolation.Looking over the course of the entirety of his nine years, however, next year's match of the longest final four drought in school history is somewhat indicting. I'm appreciative of the fact that he won the 1998 championship,meaning that4 of UK's 5 modern coaches have won championships. Until last season, no other program had more than 2 (Roy Williams became UNC's third championship coach). How long will Tubby live off of the 1998 championship and the20 win seasons while losing10+ games every other year and not returning to the final four? Many on here are content (in phoenix's case, happy) with the way things are. Others have grown restless and are demanding more. I suppose there's no right or wrong answer here, but I sure would like to see a well conditioned, mentally tough, talented, championship contending team without all the soap opera drama. I hope Tubby can do it. If not, I hope the next guy can.

[Will Lavender]

FrogtownRoadCat wrote: Will Lavender wrote: ukcatfan wrote: Is the only thing that will lite a fire under him, the smell of NBA money?
He seemed to have fire in 1998 and 1999. Also in 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2005.

That's 6 years of the 9 he has been here that UK has performed, even in the NCAA Tournament, well above (in terms of the regular season) and above (in the tournament) the school's historical average.

2001 team turmoil era lost in the sweet sixteen of the ncaa tourney with double digit losses. look at the talent on that team too. all in all, not a stellar performance.

2004 lost in the second round of the ncaa tourney as a number 1 seed.

surely historical performance (regular season in the case of 2001 and tournament in the case of 2004) is better. i'm sure someone on here can cite the historicalnumber of elite eight appearances by UK, which i recall is a very high number (perhaps the highest?). i do recall that UK's record in those games is not very good though.

The case for the Tubster is enhanced by looking at each season in isolation.Looking over the course of the entirety of his nine years, however, next year's match of the longest final four drought in school history is somewhat indicting. I'm appreciative of the fact that he won the 1998 championship,meaning that4 of UK's 5 modern coaches have won championships. Until last season, no other program had more than 2 (Roy Williams became UNC's third championship coach). How long will Tubby live off of the 1998 championship and the20 win seasons while losing10+ games every other year and not returning to the final four? Many on here are content (in phoenix's case, happy) with the way things are. Others have grown restless and are demanding more. I suppose there's no right or wrong answer here, but I sure would like to see a well conditioned, mentally tough, talented, championship contending team without all the soap opera drama. I hope Tubby can do it. If not, I hope the next guy can.

The original post was about "fire." The "double digit losses" argument about 2001 is a bit of a red herring, I think. That was a good team. They were young, they lost a few games early (including one to St. John's on a bad call), but they were called by ESPN in late February, "The best team in the nation."

The 2004 team was a let-down in the tournament but had a great regular season. I don't think that's a "fire" issue, either.

You said, "How long will Tubby live off of 20 win seasons while losing 10+ games...?"

But I'm not talking about 20-win seasons. I'm talking a 23-win (1999), a 24-win season (2001), a 32-win season (2003), a 27-win season (2004), and a 28-win season (2005).

Big difference. 20-win seasons are no longer the benchmark in college basketball because teams are playing so many games. When you get up to 24 or so, though, you know you've had a season.

I think we should be looking at RECORD, both in the regular season and the tournament.

This is not to say that the lack of a Final Four since 1998 doesn't mean something. It does.

But when you have the 6th best active winning percentage in the game (as Tubby does), and that winning percentage also incorporates the NCAA Tournament, then any argument about how little "fire" you have on the sideline is pretty much moot.