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KY Blue in Carolina
05-31-2006, 03:12 PM
Jet-Setting Jared

Word out of Georgetown is that former Scott County star and current Wildcat center Jared Carter will be heading to Las Vegas this summer. Coach Tubby Smith is gambling that Carter will benefit from a trip to the famous Pete Newell Big Man Camp. Carter’s father Jeff confirmed to27 SportsFirst thathis son will attend the camp. According to the camp’s web page, this year’s is the 30th edition of the camp. Last year’s camp drew 70 players from the college and pro ranks. The web site says the camp puts a special emphasis on footwork.

We still have yet to hear from the UK coach on Shagari Alleyne’s situation, although a source told us the big man may still be in school, but he’s no longer eligible to play. Alleyne has been in and out of Smith’s doghouse since the first day he arrived on campus. Fellow seven-footer Lukasz Obrzut has struggled at times with fouls. The development of Carter is critical for UK’s inside game this upcoming season.

Jeff Cartertold the Georgetown News-Graphic that Jared is bigger — he’s bulked up to 250 pounds. That’s good news for UK fans, who’d like to see him play bigger as well. The elder Carter told 27 SportsFirst that his son is very excited about going to Las Vegas.

http://www.wkyt.com/Global/story.asp?S=4932852
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Very good move IMO! :thumbup

Will Lavender
05-31-2006, 03:16 PM
Awesome news.

There might not be a more integral piece to next year's puzzle than the development of Mr. Carter.

NC Cat
05-31-2006, 03:40 PM
Carter has some excellentskills, but lacks experience against top competition.This camp should help, and so will having a year of college ball under his belt. I look for Carter to have the same kind of coming party that Nazr and Quis had. He's certainly got all the tools.

matt57
05-31-2006, 03:40 PM
If jared can give us results similar to ILL's 7 footer a few years ago, nick smith i think was his name, then my outlook will change. thier games aren't similar but i'm hoping for similar results. as long as jared can rebound and alter some shots he will be more than helpful next year. i'd love to see him average around 6pts and 3-4rbs. hopefully, this camp will give him the foundation to build on.

EricBigNally
05-31-2006, 03:45 PM
That's great news. Any improvement is always wanted for any player. The drive to succeed sounds to be pretty strong to. If he is willing to put in the work, I have no doubt in my mind that he won't succeed. With the height he has, there is no excuse for him not to be able to develop into something. He had flashes of things to come I think this past season and it looks up. I hope the camp works out well for him. Nothing like more experience against top centers to boost him up a few steps.

Will Lavender
05-31-2006, 04:04 PM
matt57 wrote: If jared can give us results similar to ILL's 7 footer a few years ago, nick smith i think was his name, then my outlook will change. thier games aren't similar but i'm hoping for similar results. as long as jared can rebound and alter some shots he will be more than helpful next year. i'd love to see him average around 6pts and 3-4rbs. hopefully, this camp will give him the foundation to build on.
Sort of tangential here, but I had Nik's sister in class the year before Illinois went to the Final Four.

Another guy that had a great "coming out party" for a young 7 footer was Georgia Tech's Luke Schenscher.

Old Blue
05-31-2006, 10:29 PM
Big Man camp will help him, but the main thing that will help him is a great S&C coach. Hopefully, we finally have one.

freethrow
05-31-2006, 10:32 PM
I read a rumor about this the other day. Also that he had gained several pounds. This should be very good for Carter.

Caveman Catfan
05-31-2006, 10:49 PM
"Coach Tubby Smith is gambling that Carter will benefit from a trip to the famous Pete Newell Big Man Camp."

Gambling? That makes very little sense. Did they mean "hoping" or "expecting" or "counting on?" Poor choice of words.

Caveman Catfan
05-31-2006, 10:50 PM
Old Blue wrote: Big Man camp will help him, but the main thing that will help him is a great S&C coach. Hopefully, we finally have one.

Big man camp will help, BUT players who go to this camp have to take what they learned and apply it in summer workouts and summery practices for it to translate into games.

UKfaninCO
06-01-2006, 09:39 AM
Caveman Catfan wrote: "Coach Tubby Smith is gambling that Carter will benefit from a trip to the famous Pete Newell Big Man Camp."

Gambling? That makes very little sense. Did they mean "hoping" or "expecting" or "counting on?" Poor choice of words.



I think this was more a play on words since the camp is in Las Vegas. Nothing more than that.

Chunks06
06-01-2006, 10:56 AM
UKfaninCO wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: "Coach Tubby Smith is gambling that Carter will benefit from a trip to the famous Pete Newell Big Man Camp."

Gambling? That makes very little sense. Did they mean "hoping" or "expecting" or "counting on?" Poor choice of words.



I think this was more a play on words since the camp is in Las Vegas. Nothing more than that.
Same thing I thought.

Caveman Catfan
06-01-2006, 07:31 PM
UKfaninCO wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: "Coach Tubby Smith is gambling that Carter will benefit from a trip to the famous Pete Newell Big Man Camp."

Gambling? That makes very little sense. Did they mean "hoping" or "expecting" or "counting on?" Poor choice of words.



I think this was more a play on words since the camp is in Las Vegas. Nothing more than that.

Ah . . . never mind. ;)

Didn't Newell's camp used to be in Hawaii?

KapitalCat
06-01-2006, 07:53 PM
Great...I think Jared can start at the 5 and Morris at the 4 next season.

trublue4life
06-01-2006, 09:52 PM
KapitalCat wrote: Great...I think Jared can start at the 5 and Morris at the 4 next season.
My thoughts exactly. And this is the most overlooked point in the constant moaning about "Tubby can't sign a power forward." He already signed a McDonald's All-American power forward who will be an upcoming junior. His name is Randolph Morris.

T75
06-02-2006, 02:19 PM
I don't know anything about this camp---how good it is or isn't, etc. But I'm hoping that Carter gets more attention and help than our other two 7 footers have. It's hard for me to understand how Shag and Woo could be around Lexington for 3 years and their games show nearly non-existant improvement.

It seems to me that Dan Issel offered his help with some big man back a few years ago and was politely told "No, thanks." Obviously our present staff just isn't able to help the big men develop. If I were Tubby I'd be looking for anything and everything that might help Carter come of age.

bleedbluelady
06-02-2006, 03:56 PM
T75 wrote: Obviously our present staff just isn't able to help the big men develop.



I don't agree with that opinion. Yes, Woo and Shag have not developed like we hoped. It appears Shag has a focus/discipline problem.Tubby has done everything short of yanking him out of bed and carrying him to class to change thisbehavior. Part of me would like to wring Shag's neck. But, mainly I hope the light bulb goes on in his head and he decides to apply himself. Woo seems to be a wonderful young man who has sacrificed a lot to advance his game. I believe he will be a success at just about anything he decides to do.

But when you look atour big men that have been at UK with the present staffyou have to include Magloire, Quis, Stone and Parker among others. Magloire and Quis developed very well. Stone and Parker developed just as much at UK as they did elsewhere.

To me the question is...is this staff able to adequately evaluate character?

As for Jared Carter, I think he has what it takes to be a major contributor at UK.

KY Blue in Carolina
06-02-2006, 08:22 PM
IIRC Nazr and Jamal M. [someone else, too] attended the camp.... it's a good move.

trublue4life
06-02-2006, 11:40 PM
T75 wrote: It seems to me that Dan Issel offered his help with some big man back a few years ago and was politely told "No, thanks." Obviously our present staff just isn't able to help the big men develop. If I were Tubby I'd be looking for anything and everything that might help Carter come of age.

This would be the first I've ever heard about Issel being turned down after offering to help. Could you tell me where you got that?

Caveman Catfan
06-03-2006, 08:05 AM
I do not know if NCAA rules permit non-coaches associated with a program to work formally with players. I thought that Kyle Macy was asked a few years ago on a radio show if he could work with the team on free throw shooting and he responded that he was not permitted to by the NCAA.

But the idea that this coaching staff cannot coach big men is just wrong. Mags, Nazr, Estill, Parker, Camara, and Morris all improved greatly under the tutelage of this staff. Pointing only to Shag and Woo to make a general comment like that has no merit, IMO.

FatCatDaddy
06-03-2006, 09:13 AM
I am glad to see Jared go somewhere to work on his game.

boomdaddy
06-03-2006, 12:07 PM
Starting Carter at the 5 and Morris at the 4 would bring the swagger back to the Cats. Woo and Stevenson can come off the bench and the shorter guys can go to the 3 spot.

golflender
06-03-2006, 06:46 PM
boomdaddy wrote: Starting Carter at the 5 and Morris at the 4 would bring the swagger back to the Cats. Woo and Stevenson can come off the bench and the shorter guys can go to the 3 spot.
i've been thinking that since the end of last season, glad someone agrees with me:)

FatCatDaddy
06-03-2006, 07:06 PM
golflender wrote: boomdaddy wrote: Starting Carter at the 5 and Morris at the 4 would bring the swagger back to the Cats. Woo and Stevenson can come off the bench and the shorter guys can go to the 3 spot.
i've been thinking that since the end of last season, glad someone agrees with me:)
A lot of us have been thinking this, but Tubby won't agree.

poodoo
06-06-2006, 02:55 PM
Caveman Catfan wrote:

But the idea that this coaching staff cannot coach big men is just wrong. Mags, Nazr, Estill, Parker, Camara, and Morris all improved greatly under the tutelage of this staff. Pointing only to Shag and Woo to make a general comment like that has no merit, IMO.
Same opinion here, Caveman. This staff has a good history with developing big men, overall.

DCWildcat
06-06-2006, 03:50 PM
FatCatDaddy wrote: golflender wrote: boomdaddy wrote: Starting Carter at the 5 and Morris at the 4 would bring the swagger back to the Cats. Woo and Stevenson can come off the bench and the shorter guys can go to the 3 spot.
i've been thinking that since the end of last season, glad someone agrees with me:)
A lot of us have been thinking this, but Tubby won't agree.
Actually, that lineup came out for a bit during the UConn game, and was shown to be effective. I don't think you can put judgment on Tubby for "not agreeing" after one kid's freshman year and another's sophomore year.

I've been harping that lineup for, like, ever. The key component will be if Morris can better his footwork and stop the stupid fouls out in the perimeter or on guard slashes.

Chunks06
06-06-2006, 04:09 PM
FatCatDaddy wrote: golflender wrote: boomdaddy wrote: Starting Carter at the 5 and Morris at the 4 would bring the swagger back to the Cats. Woo and Stevenson can come off the bench and the shorter guys can go to the 3 spot.
i've been thinking that since the end of last season, glad someone agrees with me:)
A lot of us have been thinking this, but Tubby won't agree.
Actually, Tubby did mention this in an interview after this season as a possibility and something they would work on. Solely depends on if they can handle it defensively. Both need extrme work on their defensive footwork. If they can handle it defensively I think our offense could be something special and a very tough matchup for teams if Morris' passing skills get better. It would have to eliminate a lot of the double teaming I would think. Bradley, Crawford, Perry, Morris and Carter would be a fairly big lineup and if Bradley, Crawford and Perry are hitting shots we could really spread teams out and give them fits.

TrueblueCATfan
06-06-2006, 06:55 PM
Great news.........with Jared bulking up to 250 pounds and then attending this camp things are looking brighter and brighter everday for the CATS

UKBlue2321
06-07-2006, 09:29 AM
KapitalCat wrote: Great...I think Jared can start at the 5 and Morris at the 4 next season.
That would be awesome having a Kentuckian starting again. As long as he builds strength and some confidence, he will be a HUGE asset next year for us.

boomdaddy
06-07-2006, 12:36 PM
Caveman Catfan wrote: I do not know if NCAA rules permit non-coaches associated with a program to work formally with players. I thought that Kyle Macy was asked a few years ago on a radio show if he could work with the team on free throw shooting and he responded that he was not permitted to by the NCAA.

But the idea that this coaching staff cannot coach big men is just wrong. Mags, Nazr, Estill, Parker, Camara, and Morris all improved greatly under the tutelage of this staff. Pointing only to Shag and Woo to make a general comment like that has no merit, IMO.

Carter has much better hands and feet than the other two big men, mentioned above. Woo will still be a solid college player next season. But, Carter has the tools to grow into one of the top big men in the country, after he gets some seasoning. And, with his weight up to 250, he should be able to use his height, without getting pushed around.

As for developing players, Magloire's development on the offensive side, from his freshman year to a senior, was remarkable. But, Jammal's nasty disposition and defensive prowess seems to be something he was born with.

RCS
06-07-2006, 12:51 PM
'Bradley, Crawford, Perry, Morris and Carter would be a fairly big lineup '

That wouldn't be fairly big, it would be huge.
C-Carter 7'2" 250
PF-Morris 6'10" 266
SF- Perry 6'7" 220
SG-Crawford 6'4" 210
PG-Bradley 6'1" 180

If you sub in Jasper for Bradley it would have to be the biggest lineup in the country. It looks good on paper, but I think it will only work against certain teams because I don't think Morris is quick enough to guard a lot of PFs in the SEC. It would certainly be a matchup problem for other teams though.

Chunks06
06-07-2006, 01:04 PM
RCS wrote: 'Bradley, Crawford, Perry, Morris and Carter would be a fairly big lineup '

That wouldn't be fairly big, it would be huge.
C-Carter 7'2" 250
PF-Morris 6'10" 266
SF- Perry 6'7" 220
SG-Crawford 6'4" 210
PG-Bradley 6'1" 180

If you sub in Jasper for Bradley it would have to be the biggest lineup in the country. It looks good on paper, but I think it will only work against certain teams because I don't think Morris is quick enough to guard a lot of PFs in the SEC. It would certainly be a matchup problem for other teams though.

100% agree. Wont work with some but will against others. I think it gives us more options which are always a plus. We have been big the past few years as a whole but because of lack of skill have been forced to play small. IF Carter develops we now have a TRUE big lineup option. We can always go smaller if needed. A 3 guard set or osmething close but at least now, we shoud, SHOULD, be able to go both ways. ERRR, you know what i mean by that last statment.:)

RCS
06-07-2006, 01:15 PM
The nice thing about it is we can go big, normal or small. We can even go athletic if we want to.
Big:
Carter
Morris
Perry
Crawford
Jasper

Normal:
Morriss
Thomas
Perry
Crawford
Bradley

Small:
Morris
Perry
Meeks
Crawford
Bradley

Athletic:
Morris
Stevenson
Meeks
Crawford
Bradley

It will be nice to have people in their more natural positions, but also have options to go with different looks.