Improper fan posting on Patterson "My Space" site?

[boomdaddy]

WLEX TV18 just reported that a post on Patterson's "My Space" account by a possible fan had a picture of some of UK's Dance Cats and said that he would be rewarded if he came to UK. I saw it on their 6:30 am morning show, but it's not on their website yet.

They reported that UK would have to report the incident to the NCAA. Also it stated that the improper post had been removed by Patterson. Also, they had comments from one of the Dance Cats in the picture, who stated that she was upset that her picture had been used without her consent.

1. Whoever the poster was, the person hasn't been named yet.

2. How can any university control this kind of situation? It may or may not be a UK fan. It could be a prankster from another university. A picture of the Dance Cats can be taken by anyopne who attends a UK game or function.

[ukbob]

You should know better than to expect the NCAAto bereasonable. ;)


Actually, from other accounts, it was more than just one fan bothering him but one had enticements like you mentioned. DeAndre Jordan claims the same harassment helped him eliminate UK from his picture.

[AugustaDan]

This kind of thing sends up my BS flag. I would be surprised if it was not done by a fan of a rival school with a history of crass, inappropriate behavior during recruiting and during games and during lacrosse parties. I don't know how one would ever verify the identity of the originator, but I wonder if there's any sort of substantial increase of "UK fans" posting on his myspace page since he was offered by Duke. This is all just conjecture of course.

[ukgrad]

IMO, it could easily be a fan from a different school, feeding off of all the negativity Smith has been addressing in interviews.

[kipper265]

No matter who posted this particular picture, uk fan or not, it's still just one small part of the huge swarm of posts from folks who harass recruits and signees on MySpace. It's a fine line....how does flattery in getting attention from great fans become different from the terror a 17 or 18 year old feels from being stalked by hordes of men/women in their teens, 20s, 30s, 40s etc. :shock:trolling the internet... I dunno.A lot of that drivel is just embarassing, imo.

[Doug Hardin]

There's really nothing UK can do about this. They can check up on the organized message boards and make sure we're not doing anything illegal in the NCAA's eyes, hence the sticky threads on the recruiting forums about what we can and cannot say.

But what can be done about this? We can't tell Patrick not to have a MySpace page, and we can't possibly send letters to every fan out there telling them not to have any contact with potential recruits. Tubby even said something about how MySpace and Facebook create their own problems when he was asked about how message boards impact the program, so I'm sure it's something he has to deal with in the recruiting process.

I also wonder who the real poster is. It's very likely that it's just a kid or anincredibly stupid adultfan who thinks he is helping the program. I thought this was much more likely than the "rival fan going undercover" theory at first, but if we're dealing with Duke fans, they're pretty clever people who would probably know how to do this sort of thing effectively. It's hard to say, but I wonder how much MySpace is going to be willing to help the NCAA or UK or anyone else who wants to get to the bottom of these kinds of problems by giving out information about these harrassers.

[boomdaddy]

here is the link



http://www.wlextv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5169695

[Coldstream]

Some of you are missing the biggest point in this: it is not what the NCAA or the University of Kentucky can or cannot do about these things, it is what you, the fan, can do about it. I know we can't control what others do but we can hammer someone who claims to have posted on myspace or contacted a recruit any other shape or form (which has been done before). As for the other fans posing as a fan of another school, there's very little we can do but let's not engage ourselves: 'well, they sabotage our recruiting efforts so I will do the same to them'.


Do not telephone, write or make in-person contact (either on or off-campus) with a prospective student-athlete for the purpose of soliciting his or her participation in the athletics program.

[TrueblueCATfan]

forget it.....not worth the arguing

[jpay]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: Myspace.com needs to go..IMOIdoits that pull stunts like this are what needs to go. Whoever it was.

[TrueblueCATfan]

jpay wrote: TrueblueCATfan wrote: Myspace.com needs to go..IMOIdoits that pull stunts like this are what needs to go. Whoever it was.

[Doug Hardin]

MySpace is a privately run website that's not doing anything illegal, so I don't see why it's "got to go" or even how it could go away. I suppose some Internet victim could sue and claim that MySpace is contributorily or vicariously liable, but I doubt that suit would go very far.The siteactually providesa great way to catch up with people from high school or college that you've lost contact with over the years. It's a good idea for a website and is good 99% of the time. Youdo hear stories in the media about how some 15-year-old girl flew to the Middle East to meet her MySpace boyfriend, or how some sexual predators use it to seduce young people, but those problems aren't unique to MySpace. They're happeningon dozens of websites, it's just that MySpace and Facebook are the new popular sites.

Coldstream is right. All we can do is actively discourage this kind of behavior. I haven't seen anyone from our site claim to do anything like this, and I can't speak for what goes on at the bigger UK forums, but I would hope they would actively take this position as well in light of this story.

[MthrBtch]

QUOTE:

jpay wrote:
TrueblueCATfan wrote: Myspace.com needs to go..IMOIdoits that pull stunts like this are what needs to go. Whoever it was.

wellI agree too..but too many things are going on on that myspace.....it needs togo.....and my beef is how do we know if the person is even a UK fan...

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[Sarcasm = on] Yeah, and guns, and cigarettes, and liquor and everything else your heart desires.

This is an INDIVIDUAL that did this. The website is simply a medium. Kinda like this message board you've posted on so many times. I've seen innapropriate comments on this board and others as well, should they go too? Not to jump on somebody, but it's my opinion that this type of "blanket git rid of it" attitude impedes my freedom to do as I will just because someone else "doesn't like it or doesn't undersand it". It's our responsibility as fans to control ourselves, not yours to control myself and the literally millions of other people that enjoy myspace.com.

I do understand your concern for children on the site and the site is taking precautions to protect them as best they can. This, however, is another subject all together.

[TrueblueCATfan]

[TrueblueCATfan]

MthrBtch wrote: QUOTE:

jpay wrote:
TrueblueCATfan wrote: Myspace.com needs to go..IMOIdoits that pull stunts like this are what needs to go. Whoever it was.

wellI agree too..but too many things are going on on that myspace.....it needs togo.....and my beef is how do we know if the person is even a UK fan...

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[Sarcasm = on] Yeah, and guns, and cigarettes, and liquor and everything else your heart desires.

This is an INDIVIDUAL that did this. The website is simply a medium. Kinda like this message board you've posted on so many times. I've seen innapropriate comments on this board and others as well, should they go too? Not to jump on somebody, but it's my opinion that this type of "blanket git rid of it" attitude impedes my freedom to do as I will just because someone else "doesn't like it or doesn't undersand it". It's our responsibility as fans to control ourselves, not yours to control myself and the literally millions of other people that enjoy myspace.com.

I do understand your concern for children on the site and the site is taking precautions to protect them as best they can. This, however, is another subject all togeth

[VIIBanners]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: jpay wrote: TrueblueCATfan wrote: Myspace.com needs to go..IMOIdoits that pull stunts like this are what needs to go. Whoever it was.

wellI agree too..but too many things are going on on that myspace.....it needs to go.....and my beef is how do we know if the person is even a UK fan...Like what? Myspace is a cool thing. You might as well get rid of the internet in general... phones, hell, let's get rid of all forms of communication... including this message board. It's the same thing, just in a different format.

People just need to use common sense when associating with a recruit over the internet. My band is friends of many basketball players (Not recruits) on Myspace, but we don't post anything that would be questionable. Whoever it was that posted that stuff was freakin' idiot... end of story, and I hope it doesn't cost us that recruit. If it does that person should be excommunicated from the Kentucky basketball community.

[TrueblueCATfan]

[MthrBtch]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: MthrBtch wrote: QUOTE:

jpay wrote:
TrueblueCATfan wrote: Myspace.com needs to go..IMOIdoits that pull stunts like this are what needs to go. Whoever it was.

wellI agree too..but too many things are going on on that myspace.....it needs togo.....and my beef is how do we know if the person is even a UK fan...

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[Sarcasm = on] Yeah, and guns, and cigarettes, and liquor and everything else your heart desires.

This is an INDIVIDUAL that did this. The website is simply a medium. Kinda like this message board you've posted on so many times. I've seen innapropriate comments on this board and others as well, should they go too? Not to jump on somebody, but it's my opinion that this type of "blanket git rid of it" attitude impedes my freedom to do as I will just because someone else "doesn't like it or doesn't undersand it". It's our responsibility as fans to control ourselves, not yours to control myself and the literally millions of other people that enjoy myspace.com.

I do understand your concern for children on the site and the site is taking precautions to protect them as best they can. This, however, is another subject all together.


yeah they has been some name calling and improper words on this site and they were banned or suspended..just recently several was suspended on the Rivary forum
I have heard too many horror stories and I am just looking out for the young people
I read in an earlier post that you are concerned for your daughter, and that I understand. As a parent (I feel, and this is just my opinion) that it'syour responsibility to monitor her (on the internet, watching TV, at the mall). I don't feel like we should be censoring TV, or the Radio, or the Internet, or etc...because some parents don't monitor their kids like they should. I'mgetting truly frustrated with people using these kinds of excuses fortheir agenda ofmoral censorship.

I'm not in any way saying that this was your intention, however, it is the intention ofmany people making these statements.

JMO

[VIIBanners]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: People.....I said it was MY OPINION..if you want to be mad at someone be mad at the person that sent the info to the recruit...............I am entitled to MY OWN opinion..I did not say you all had to agree with itor like it.....GEEZ!!!!!!Not trying to jump on ya calm down....:)

[MthrBtch]

TrueblueCATfan wrote: People.....I said it was MY OPINION..if you want to be mad at someone be mad at the person that sent the info to the recruit...............I am entitled to MY OWN opinion..I did not say you all had to agree with itor like it.....GEEZ!!!!!!
Hope you understand, none of this is personal. Just a forum for our thoughts. I didn't like your thought and responded expecting you to do the same. Just cause we don't agree doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion.

[audacious1]

Coldstream wrote: Some of you are missing the biggest point in this: it is not what the NCAA or the University of Kentucky can or cannot do about these things, it is what you, the fan, can do about it. I know we can't control what others do but we can hammer someone who claims to have posted on myspace or contacted a recruit any other shape or form (which has been done before). As for the other fans posing as a fan of another school, there's very little we can do but let's not engage ourselves: 'well, they sabotage our recruiting efforts so I will do the same to them'.


Do not telephone, write or make in-person contact (either on or off-campus) with a prospective student-athlete for the purpose of soliciting his or her participation in the athletics program.




Coldstream is 100% correct! We need to help each other better represent our program!!

[BRN2BNK Wildcat]

dxwils3 wrote: This kind of thing sends up my BS flag. I would be surprised if it was not done by a fan of a rival school with a history of crass, inappropriate behavior during recruiting and during games and during lacrosse parties. I don't know how one would ever verify the identity of the originator, but I wonder if there's any sort of substantial increase of "UK fans" posting on his myspace page since he was offered by Duke. This is all just conjecture of course.
Is the Jordan thing still a rumor, or has it been confirmed? I heard it was pure speculation and would love to know your source.

[jrodw8]

BRN2BNK Wildcat wrote: dxwils3 wrote: This kind of thing sends up my BS flag. I would be surprised if it was not done by a fan of a rival school with a history of crass, inappropriate behavior during recruiting and during games and during lacrosse parties. I don't know how one would ever verify the identity of the originator, but I wonder if there's any sort of substantial increase of "UK fans" posting on his myspace page since he was offered by Duke. This is all just conjecture of course.
Is the Jordan thing still a rumor, or has it been confirmed? I heard it was pure speculation and would love to know your source.

Pretty much a rumor from a friend of his, although probably somewhat true I would guess. Also several of the people posting on Pattersons are members of the rivals board fwiw.

[BRN2BNK Wildcat]

jrodw8 wrote: BRN2BNK Wildcat wrote: dxwils3 wrote: This kind of thing sends up my BS flag. I would be surprised if it was not done by a fan of a rival school with a history of crass, inappropriate behavior during recruiting and during games and during lacrosse parties. I don't know how one would ever verify the identity of the originator, but I wonder if there's any sort of substantial increase of "UK fans" posting on his myspace page since he was offered by Duke. This is all just conjecture of course.
Is the Jordan thing still a rumor, or has it been confirmed? I heard it was pure speculation and would love to know your source.

Pretty much a rumor from a friend of his, although probably somewhat true I would guess. Also several of the people posting on Pattersons are members of the rivals board fwiw.Is it "for the old Kentucky Home" or "for my old Kentucky Home"? Just curious.

[jrodw8]

I took it straight from the lyrics, i hope its right...lol

[Caveman Catfan]

Scout has a premium service interview with Patterson about his recruitment and Kentucky. Not sure what it says. Perhaps someone can give us a summary.

[BRN2BNK Wildcat]

jrodw8 wrote: I took it straight from the lyrics, i hope its right...lolProbably right--my third grade music teach probably got it wrong.

[jrodw8]

I know when the sing it at the games its my old Kentucky home, so I'm assuming its probably just been changed due to several decades of using it that way.

[wyldkatzky]

Ok, let me begin.

It's just not just the public's fault this happened. But it certainly only appearss that way.

On myspace, you have to be someone's friend to allow them to comment on your page. Perhaps patterson shouldn't be alowing random strangers to add to his friends list on there like that. Also, you can disablle html comment on your myspace, meaning they can't change, or add graphics to your comments.

However it is still terrible that a person would choose to do something. Some people have no class, and the only bad thing about being a UK fan is a UK fan who's always wearing red. On his neck.

[BRN2BNK Wildcat]

wyldkatzky wrote: Ok, let me begin.

It's just not just the public's fault this happened. But it certainly only appearss that way.

On myspace, you have to be someone's friend to allow them to comment on your page. Perhaps patterson shouldn't be alowing random strangers to add to his friends list on there like that. Also, you can disablle html comment on your myspace, meaning they can't change, or add graphics to your comments.

However it is still terrible that a person would choose to do something. Some people have no class, and the only bad thing about being a UK fan is a UK fan who's always wearing red. On his neck.
Or jersey...

[jrodw8]

you dont have to be on a persons friend list to comment, but you can set it up that way, although you have to look to do that, its not an option they give you when you sign up. It's still inexcusable. I can't see how anyone could think bombarding a guy like this could do any good at all, it could only turn out bad, and I for one really hope it doesn't in this case, or else Tubby may have wasted almost three years chasing this kid only to be undermined by overzealous fans.

[rickdacatkilla]

Guess this all comes down to how hot were the babes,,,hehehe:lol:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/33/334360.jpg

BIGGER,STRONGER,FASTER

[VIIBanners]

jrodw8 wrote: you dont have to be on a persons friend list to comment, but you can set it up that way, although you have to look to do that, its not an option they give you when you sign up. It's still inexcusable. I can't see how anyone could think bombarding a guy like this could do any good at all, it could only turn out bad, and I for one really hope it doesn't in this case, or else Tubby may have wasted almost three years chasing this kid only to be undermined by overzealous fans.You do have to be a friend to post a comment.

[jrodw8]

not at all, people post on mine all the time without being my friend, and i post on lots of peoples without being there friend, of course ive been a member for two years so they could have changed the way you sign up since then

[Caveman Catfan]

Has Tubby admitted to making the posts yet?

[Wildcat Larry]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Has Tubby admitted to making the posts yet?
Good one. :lol::lol::lol:

[audacious1]

Just saw it on the news here in Louisville. The University could be penalized for these fans being ignorant about what's allowed and what's not. We all need to do our part to help enlighten them. And that's not to mention what Patterson thinks about all these UK fans hounding him. C'mon people. Recruiting is tough enough without the fans making it tougher.

Go Cats!

[ukbob]

UK cannot control this norcan the NCAA(unless they disallow a recruit to have a MySoace account. Now how do they know someone is a recruit or not?). Only the recruit can control it....period.

UK did the right thing by reporting on itself to defuse it and set a standard for other schools and recruits.

The fans must play their part smarter but I doubt they will.

This become much more than it should really.

[boomdaddy]

I see this as someone pulling a prank, trying to give UK bad publicity. I don't see how it can be proven otherwise?

[sojourner]

I don't get it. How can they begin to prove it was really one of OUR fans. The potential for abuse on this one is huge. If we get dinged on this, I am personally going on myspace and saying I am a Duke, UNC, KU, UL and whatever fan to disqualify them as well.

[BRN2BNK Wildcat]

This is terrible publicity for our pursuit of Patterson. I wonder what the kid is thinking. He gets home, flips on the TV and sees his face for all the wrong reasons. I bet he's getting pounded right now with phone calls, probably threats by this point. Why on earth would you want to go to a school that is already swirling with bad publicity. Ludicrous. Totally blown out of proportion.

[audacious1]

sojourner wrote: I don't get it. How can they begin to prove it was really one of OUR fans. The potential for abuse on this one is huge. If we get dinged on this, I am personally going on myspace and saying I am a Duke, UNC, KU, UL and whatever fan to disqualify them as well.
Now you've just identified yourself as someone who'll participate in the illegal activity. Not very smart.

[wyldkatzky]

sojourner wrote: I don't get it. How can they begin to prove it was really one of OUR fans. The potential for abuse on this one is huge. If we get dinged on this, I am personally going on myspace and saying I am a Duke, UNC, KU, UL and whatever fan to disqualify them as well.


I agree, shouldn't they just ban the user from myspace or something? Unless you have some way to prove it was a UK fan then this will be crap if we get violations. There are Duke fans amongst us in Kentucky, so even if you look up the IP and it comes from downtown lexington, it could still be a duke fan. I know plenty that go to UK, and at least one that is stupid enough to do that.

This is a sensetive issue, but I think its out of the hands of the NCAA to tell people, common public what to do, and how to talk to recruits. Besides, he is a stud basketball players, I'm sure whatever school he goes to girls will just throw themselves at him anyways.

[sojourner]

Tre Pryor wrote: sojourner wrote: I don't get it. How can they begin to prove it was really one of OUR fans. The potential for abuse on this one is huge. If we get dinged on this, I am personally going on myspace and saying I am a Duke, UNC, KU, UL and whatever fan to disqualify them as well.
Now you've just identified yourself as someone who'll participate in the illegal activity. Not very smart.

Only if you think I am dumb enough to go on with this screen name or the same e-mail account and logged into the same computer. GIve me some credit for being able to cover my tracks.

Besides I am making the point that it is practically impossible to confirm whose fan anyone really is. And if others play hardball with our potential recruits so should we. I am not interested in being everyone else's patsy.

[RedandBlackATTACK]

I am personally going on myspace and saying I am a Duke, UNC, KU, UL and whatever fan to disqualify them as well.Now, your talking. That would really show them.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[blueheretic]

Tre Pryor wrote: sojourner wrote: I don't get it. How can they begin to prove it was really one of OUR fans. The potential for abuse on this one is huge. If we get dinged on this, I am personally going on myspace and saying I am a Duke, UNC, KU, UL and whatever fan to disqualify them as well.
Now you've just identified yourself as someone who'll participate in the illegal activity. Not very smart.

Now you are both identifying yourselves as people who takes themselves a bit too seriously on internet fan boards. We got the guy who is going to take revenge over percieved internet slights that may or may not have occurred and the guy who thinks he is the internet conscience/police.

Give me a freakin' break.

Yeay!!! Internet SuperHeroes.....lol

[kentuckykid]

Funny how we start having problems when "another" coach comes into the picture and our recruit starts moving up the ratings.

[Doug Hardin]

sojourner wrote: I don't get it. How can they begin to prove it was really one of OUR fans. The potential for abuse on this one is huge. If we get dinged on this, I am personally going on myspace and saying I am a Duke, UNC, KU, UL and whatever fan to disqualify them as well.

As Coldstream said, there's not much UK can do about this, and there's not much we as fans can do about it other than to hammer people who talk about doing stupid things like you just said you would do. So allow me to say that I think this is a really stupid thing to do and, obviously, a violation of NCAA rules.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think UK is just making a news story out of this to make sure it doesn't become a widespread problem, and if it does, to make sure that UK has done its part to show that it does not condone this kind of behavior from its fans (and whether it's a UK fan or a rival school's fan, we don't know. I don't think it's over-the-top enough to be a rival school's fan, but maybethey are impostersand they've done a good job of disguising themselves). It's also a good way to tell Patterson, and I'm sure they've done this directly, too, that they don't approve of this and are trying to do something about the problem.

[TrueblueCATfan]

I talked to my daughter becasue she is real big into the MYspace and she said it could not be proven if the person who did was a UK fan or not.......unless they have something in their profile about being a UK fan

They could be using a fake name..just like the fan who posed as Rondo

[Wildcat97]

What kills is the NCAA acting like they have greater powers than the 1st amendment! I don't condone this action by anyone, but without proof of who it is exactly, how can any school be punished for it.

This has NOTHING to do with institutional control...but Big Brother patroling the internet...can't be done by UK or anyone else.

[Doug Hardin]

Wildcat97 wrote: What kills is the NCAA acting like they have greater powers than the 1st amendment!

The NCAA is not a government entity and is therefore not governed by the First Amendment. They're free to make rules that fans cannot communicate with potential recruits. It doesn't mean anyone who talks to recruits will be criminally punished, but it's well within their powers to punish their own member programs whose fans act out of line. It's not a lot different than the NBA fining Mark Cuban for criticizing referees or Major League Baseball suspending John Rocker for saying some politically incorrect things about New York. It seems kind of un-American to be punished for what you're saying, but it's not unconstitutional unless the government is the one doing the punishing.

[RCS]

People confuse the right to free speach a lot of times. People have the right to say what they want, it is legal. There are repercussions to speach though. Being a member of the NCAA is voluntary. It has all kinds of rules that the government could not enforce, but since you are not mandated to be a member, they have every right to set their standards as they see fit.

[sojourner]

Doug Hardin wrote: Wildcat97 wrote: What kills is the NCAA acting like they have greater powers than the 1st amendment!

The NCAA is not a government entity and is therefore not governed by the First Amendment. They're free to make rules that fans cannot communicate with potential recruits. It doesn't mean anyone who talks to recruits will be criminally punished, but it's well within their powers to punish their own member programs whose fans act out of line. It's not a lot different than the NBA fining Mark Cuban for criticizing referees or Major League Baseball suspending John Rocker for saying some politically incorrect things about New York. It seems kind of un-American to be punished for what you're saying, but it's not unconstitutional unless the government is the one doing the punishing.

All true. However, I am waiting for the day that they go after the Cameron Crazies for some of the things they say and do to visiting players, for example. A lot of that borders on "hate" speech. Selective prosecutioncan still be a violation ofthe law.

[Wildcat97]

Doug Hardin wrote: Wildcat97 wrote: What kills is the NCAA acting like they have greater powers than the 1st amendment!

The NCAA is not a government entity and is therefore not governed by the First Amendment. They're free to make rules that fans cannot communicate with potential recruits. It doesn't mean anyone who talks to recruits will be criminally punished, but it's well within their powers to punish their own member programs whose fans act out of line. It's not a lot different than the NBA fining Mark Cuban for criticizing referees or Major League Baseball suspending John Rocker for saying some politically incorrect things about New York. It seems kind of un-American to be punished for what you're saying, but it's not unconstitutional unless the government is the one doing the punishing.


Absolutely right...I see I didn't make the point quite like I intended, but my issue,well putbtw in your example albeit in reverse, is a governed, voluntary participant (ie Cuban, Rocker...) that has agreed to participate under the rules governing the relations between the university and the recruit regarding the NCAA. There is no such agreement with the average individual who may (or may not) be a fan of a particular institution. As such, how can the NCAA punish a non-guilty party, ie a university, EXCEPT with selective prosecution.

I do see it as somewhat of an infringement of the fans "freedom of speech" as IF they are not affiliated with the the university in any way except as a fan...how does the university gain control of their speech, EXCEPT through punishment of an innocent party. I don't agree with the items mentioned, but the NCAA can't/ shouldn't be able to control the world just because it feels like it!!!

[UKfaninCO]

Actually all the 1st amendment does is prohibit the government from passing laws prohibiting the freedom of speech. It does not give anyone the right to say anything they want. People can and should be held accountable for what they say and do. We have civil penalties for such things as libel and slander that can place rather harsh penalties on people for saying things that they should not. There are number of things that you may not discuss openly in a public forum. Organizations such as the NCAA are free to make whatever rules they like regarding communication with recruits. And they can hold the members accountable for those rules. Fans that wish to communicate with recruits are being utterly irresponsible if they don't understand the rules of such contact. Nothing good can come of it if they don't and they CAN hurt recruiting.

Edited to add:

I've said this in another post, but these contact rules were in place before the internet became what it has become. Enforcement of these policies where it concerns the internet is impossible and unreasonable. But as it stands, the University is still held accountable. It is now in the University's best interest to educate the fans on such things. Good luck with that.

[sthornton1]

Honestly, I don't seewhy the school would even think about telling the NCAA about this situation because there was no crime committed and this is something that all players will look forward to anyhow. (Meeting of new females) Does it really matter that someone wrote those things and showed those pictures on his space on the web? As long as they are not XXX rated, what does that matter? My answer to that question isno, because you cannot control the internet. Anyone can say anything on the web and that is where it will be and stay. Now if he went to UK and that same person provided those things for him, then that would be a problem. Telling the NCAA about this situation right now will only discredit the schools recruiting because it will look as if the school is allowing potential recruits to be harassed by it's fans (or whomever it is). I personally don't think it was a fan who did this, but I have been wrong before. I would say for our school's program, let hope it's not a fan. I guess they are going to have to change the saying "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." As for the recruit, if he let's situations like this keep him from attending UK, then he never wanted to be a Wildcat anyway. And you can quote me on that!!

[Coldstream]

sthornton1 wrote: Honestly, I don't seewhy the school would even think about telling the NCAA about this situation because there was no crime committed and this is something that all players will look forward to anyhow.
Actually in the eyes of the NCAA a crime was committed. Can they enforce a sanction against the University, probably not. I don't think the staff at UK looked at this as a possible sanction coming from the NCAA but as a means to show they are trying to be proactive in correcting the problem.

[Wildcat97]

GREAT POST UKfaninCO...

Maybe this sums it up for me. I realize that "free speech" still requires a consequence for ones actions (ie slander), but your point is what my main concern is and have tried to convey unsuccessfully...the internet allows WORLD WIDE access to anyone, without ANY ability to control by the university. I recognize the NCAAs abilities to make the rules...but the rules also need to apply within the framework of the current lifestyle of recruits.

I'll drop the"1st amendment" thing after this, as it seems too many are stuck on it. But, the University IS a government established and supported institution...but an establishment that has said NOTHING to this recruit that they are having to report as a violation. Hence, no violation, but they are being "Punished" by having to claim it somehow. How many of these "Minor Violations" will it take before the NCAA arbitrarily applies its punishment? They are suffering consequences of a NON-affiliated (assumption) individual, planned or not, acting like a DUMBA**. Someone else's free speech is being denied/imposed upon, by the application of unenforcable and archaic rules relating to the University.As it seems now, someonecan't say a simple positive re: their favorite school to a possible recruit without getting said school, who has no control over the situation, into trouble.

HELL...I'll just say "I'm a Duke fan, and I will pay you, (insert recruit name here), to attend my favorite school...Duke University!!" Should that qualify as a Duke violation? It shouldn't...but the way it seems to be is...yes, it does.






Actually all the 1st amendment does is prohibit the government from passing laws prohibiting the freedom of speech. It does not give anyone the right to say anything they want. People can and should be held accountable for what they say and do. We have civil penalties for such things as libel and slander that can place rather harsh penalties on people for saying things that they should not. There are number of things that you may not discuss openly in a public forum. Organizations such as the NCAA are free to make whatever rules they like regarding communication with recruits. And they can hold the members accountable for those rules. Fans that wish to communicate with recruits are being utterly irresponsible if they don't understand the rules of such contact. Nothing good can come of it if they don't and they CAN hurt recruiting.

Edited to add:

I've said this in another post, but these contact rules were in place before the internet became what it has become. Enforcement of these policies where it concerns the internet is impossible and unreasonable. But as it stands, the University is still held accountable. It is now in the University's best interest to educate the fans on such things. Good luck with that.

[UKfaninCO]

Wildcat97 wrote: GREAT POST UKfaninCO...

Maybe this sums it up for me. I realize that "free speech" still requires a consequence for ones actions (ie slander), but your point is what my main concern is and have tried to convey unsuccessfully...the internet allows WORLD WIDE access to anyone, without ANY ability to control by the university. I recognize the NCAAs abilities to make the rules...but the rules also need to apply within the framework of the current lifestyle of recruits.

I'll drop the"1st amendment" thing after this, as it seems too many are stuck on it. But, the University IS a government established and supported institution...but an establishment that has said NOTHING to this recruit that they are having to report as a violation. Hence, no violation, but they are being "Punished" by having to claim it somehow. How many of these "Minor Violations" will it take before the NCAA arbitrarily applies its punishment? They are suffering consequences of a NON-affiliated (assumption) individual, planned or not, acting like a DUMBA**. Someone else's free speech is being denied/imposed upon, by the application of unenforcable and archaic rules relating to the University.As it seems now, someonecan't say a simple positive re: their favorite school to a possible recruit without getting said school, who has no control over the situation, into trouble.

HELL...I'll just say "I'm a Duke fan, and I will pay you, (insert recruit name here), to attend my favorite school...Duke University!!" Should that qualify as a Duke violation? It shouldn't...but the way it seems to be is...yes, it does.






Actually all the 1st amendment does is prohibit the government from passing laws prohibiting the freedom of speech. It does not give anyone the right to say anything they want. People can and should be held accountable for what they say and do. We have civil penalties for such things as libel and slander that can place rather harsh penalties on people for saying things that they should not. There are number of things that you may not discuss openly in a public forum. Organizations such as the NCAA are free to make whatever rules they like regarding communication with recruits. And they can hold the members accountable for those rules. Fans that wish to communicate with recruits are being utterly irresponsible if they don't understand the rules of such contact. Nothing good can come of it if they don't and they CAN hurt recruiting.

Edited to add:

I've said this in another post, but these contact rules were in place before the internet became what it has become. Enforcement of these policies where it concerns the internet is impossible and unreasonable. But as it stands, the University is still held accountable. It is now in the University's best interest to educate the fans on such things. Good luck with that.


In essence, yes you can say you are a Duke fan and offer a "reward" for coming to Duke, and Duke would likely have to respond to that. Will they get in trouble? Probably not. What is more likely to happen is the contact rules will be changed to be more technologically aware. In this instance, I think UK did the right thing. Though they will very likely not get in trouble either. The rules, however archaic, are what they are for now. It is in UK's best interest to err on the side of caution when it comes to the NCAA, considering their propensity for making UK an example. Even the the least internet savvy person in the world would understand that these rules would not be enforcible in a court of law, and while the NCAA is not a court of law, it is bound by the laws of the land and improper actions by them could result in a civil lawsuit by the member. That would bring some of this stuff into a court and I don't think the NCAA really wants to do that. The NCAA really doesn't want to air its dirty laundry in a public court.

[Wildcat97]

UKfaninCO wrote: Wildcat97 wrote: GREAT POST UKfaninCO...

Maybe this sums it up for me. I realize that "free speech" still requires a consequence for ones actions (ie slander), but your point is what my main concern is and have tried to convey unsuccessfully...the internet allows WORLD WIDE access to anyone, without ANY ability to control by the university. I recognize the NCAAs abilities to make the rules...but the rules also need to apply within the framework of the current lifestyle of recruits.

I'll drop the"1st amendment" thing after this, as it seems too many are stuck on it. But, the University IS a government established and supported institution...but an establishment that has said NOTHING to this recruit that they are having to report as a violation. Hence, no violation, but they are being "Punished" by having to claim it somehow. How many of these "Minor Violations" will it take before the NCAA arbitrarily applies its punishment? They are suffering consequences of a NON-affiliated (assumption) individual, planned or not, acting like a DUMBA**. Someone else's free speech is being denied/imposed upon, by the application of unenforcable and archaic rules relating to the University.As it seems now, someonecan't say a simple positive re: their favorite school to a possible recruit without getting said school, who has no control over the situation, into trouble.

HELL...I'll just say "I'm a Duke fan, and I will pay you, (insert recruit name here), to attend my favorite school...Duke University!!" Should that qualify as a Duke violation? It shouldn't...but the way it seems to be is...yes, it does.






Actually all the 1st amendment does is prohibit the government from passing laws prohibiting the freedom of speech. It does not give anyone the right to say anything they want. People can and should be held accountable for what they say and do. We have civil penalties for such things as libel and slander that can place rather harsh penalties on people for saying things that they should not. There are number of things that you may not discuss openly in a public forum. Organizations such as the NCAA are free to make whatever rules they like regarding communication with recruits. And they can hold the members accountable for those rules. Fans that wish to communicate with recruits are being utterly irresponsible if they don't understand the rules of such contact. Nothing good can come of it if they don't and they CAN hurt recruiting.

Edited to add:

I've said this in another post, but these contact rules were in place before the internet became what it has become. Enforcement of these policies where it concerns the internet is impossible and unreasonable. But as it stands, the University is still held accountable. It is now in the University's best interest to educate the fans on such things. Good luck with that.


In essence, yes you can say you are a Duke fan and offer a "reward" for coming to Duke, and Duke would likely have to respond to that. Will they get in trouble? Probably not. What is more likely to happen is the contact rules will be changed to be more technologically aware. In this instance, I think UK did the right thing. Though they will very likely not get in trouble either. The rules, however archaic, are what they are for now. It is in UK's best interest to err on the side of caution when it comes to the NCAA, considering their propensity for making UK an example. Even the the least internet savvy person in the world would understand that these rules would not be enforcible in a court of law, and while the NCAA is not a court of law, it is bound by the laws of the land and improper actions by them could result in a civil lawsuit by the member. That would bring some of this stuff into a court and I don't think the NCAA really wants to do that. The NCAA really doesn't want to air its dirty laundry in a public court.
Again...GREAT POST and this..."...their propensity for making UK an example." is just my concern, which is why I am even worried about this.

[benny17]

After seeing howUK had reported this too the ncaa I just wanted to see what the people had said. So I looked up patterson on myspace. He had about 20-30 post dating from 6-22-06 to 7-20-06 andnot oneof them where from UK fans. There where 3 post from a flordia fan, one UofL, and one from wake forest. But I don't see any articles about them? So I don't see why we are the only ones in the articles.

[Coldstream]

benny17 wrote: After seeing howUK had reported this too the ncaa I just wanted to see what the people had said. So I looked up patterson on myspace. He had about 20-30 post dating from 6-22-06 to 7-20-06 andnot oneof them where from UK fans. There where 3 post from a flordia fan, one UofL, and one from wake forest. But I don't see any articles about them? So I don't see why we are the only ones in the articles.

They may have been deleted since there were quite a few just a few days ago.