Pete Seeger

[Buddah]

As i a m going to my fifth dylan show tommorow in lexington.. i was thinking and watching some videos on Pete Seeger.. I know that he tried to unplug Dylan at New Port and they don't care for each other... to me seeger is a more worthy heir to the throne of woody guthrie than dylan.. since seeger was more of a purist folk singer. I like them both. any other fans.. its a damn shame tha this music isn't made more...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyF_rwH0P-g

and


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK1g69iHu1Q

[KY Native in IN]

Buddah wrote:
As i a m going to my fifth dylan show tommorow in lexington.. i was thinking and watching some videos on Pete Seeger.. I know that he tried to unplug Dylan at New Port and they don't care for each other... to me seeger is a more worthy heir to the throne of woody guthrie than dylan.. since seeger was more of a purist folk singer.Â* I like them both.Â* any other fans.. its a damn shame tha this music isn't made more...

Â*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyF_rwH0P-g

and


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK1g69iHu1Q



actually seeger was neck and neck with woody as far as the timeline goes, and they were in the almanac singers together (you may've known that)...mr. seeger is pretty, shall we say, aged...but he's still at it, pickin and singin'...i like the idea of one guy or gal onstage with just an acoustic instrument telling their tale....don't care for his politics though....they're releasing his old show "rainbow quest" on DVD now....i got the one that has johnny cash and roscoe holcomb, the latter was an old time banjo picker from daisy, kentucky....you can get 'em online....worth checkin' out!

[Buddah]

pete is amazing.. really the thing with age is only a white america thing.. no one tells bb king and others they are too old,.. to me great music is great music.. i am glad you like him ky native, i knew you would.. ;) be sure to check out those links when you tube get back up.

[Buddah]

on the d eal with woody, it just seems to be in retrospect that woody is thought more of than is pete.. they were together as far as timeline, but it seems when woody died, the torch wasn't past to pete, but rather bob... u know.. or at least that is how i precieved it. i could be wrog, given that iwasn;t around then... i just read many old articles on dylan pre newport plug in, where people hailed him as the next woody etc.

[KY Native in IN]

Buddah wrote:
pete is amazing.. really the thing with age is only a white america thing.. no one tells bb king and others they are too old,.. to me great music is great music..Â* i am glad you like him ky native, i knew you would.. ;)Â*Â*Â*Â* be sure to check out those links when you tube get back up.

i personally think age has nothing to do with it....ralph stanley is a good example, he's had a career renaissance due to "o brother"....my wife can't stand him:lol: and bill monroe played literally til he died....and with pete seeger, look at his recorded output, as well as the aforementioned fellas, how many people can say they've put out the records these guys have, in quantity alone....that says something....one of my favorite woody songs is
"talking hard work blues"...speaking of guthrie, it's funny how he blatantly stole (yes, stole) melodies of carter family songs and put his own words to them....of course, copyright laws weren't what they are now back in the days of yore...this is just food for thought and discard it if'n ya want to...but check out the band, Bad Livers (they have a dot.com address) and a guy named Danny Barnes (he has a dot.com address too), ya might like 'em!

[Buddah]

KY Native in IN wrote: Buddah wrote:
pete is amazing.. really the thing with age is only a white america thing.. no one tells bb king and others they are too old,.. to me great music is great music.. i am glad you like him ky native, i knew you would.. ;) be sure to check out those links when you tube get back up.

i personally think age has nothing to do with it....ralph stanley is a good example, he's had a career renaissance due to "o brother"....my wife can't stand him:lol: and bill monroe played literally til he died....and with pete seeger, look at his recorded output, as well as the aforementioned fellas, how many people can say they've put out the records these guys have, in quantity alone....that says something....one of my favorite woody songs is
"talking hard work blues"...speaking of guthrie, it's funny how he blatantly stole (yes, stole) melodies of carter family songs and put his own words to them....of course, copyright laws weren't what they are now back in the days of yore...this is just food for thought and discard it if'n ya want to...but check out the band, Bad Livers (they have a dot.com address) and a guy named Danny Barnes (he has a dot.com address too), ya might like 'em!
well i am sure woody took melodies or borrowed, alot of singers back then did.. much like the classic archtypes or classic mythology for certain movies... i will check out the people you ask..

[KY Native in IN]

Buddah wrote:
KY Native in IN wrote: Buddah wrote:
pete is amazing.. really the thing with age is only a white america thing.. no one tells bb king and others they are too old,.. to me great music is great music..Â* i am glad you like him ky native, i knew you would.. ;)Â*Â*Â*Â* be sure to check out those links when you tube get back up.

i personally think age has nothing to do with it....ralph stanley is a good example, he's had a career renaissance due to "o brother"....my wife can't stand him:lol: and bill monroe played literally til he died....and with pete seeger, look at his recorded output, as well as the aforementioned fellas, how many people can say they've put out the records these guys have, in quantity alone....that says something....one of my favorite woody songs is
"talking hard work blues"...speaking of guthrie, it's funny how he blatantly stole (yes, stole) melodies of carter family songs and put his own words to them....of course, copyright laws weren't what they are now back in the days of yore...this is just food for thought and discard it if'n ya want to...but check out the band, Bad Livers (they have a dot.com address) and a guy named Danny Barnes (he has a dot.com address too), ya might like 'em!
Â* well i am sure woody took melodies or borrowed, alot of singers back then did.. much like the classic archtypes or classic mythology for certain movies... i will check out the people you ask..

yeah, it's just funny that you could get away with that back then....i remember hootie and the blowfish got slammed for some dylan lyrics, "only wanna be with you".....

[Jeff Craddock]

Buddah wrote: on the d eal with woody, it just seems to be in retrospect that woody is thought more of than is pete.. they were together as far as timeline, but it seems when woody died, the torch wasn't past to pete, but rather bob... u know.. or at least that is how i precieved it. i could be wrog, given that iwasn;t around then... i just read many old articles on dylan pre newport plug in, where people hailed him as the next woody etc.

Dylan must be one of the most complex artist of that era--he idolized Guthrie, but he also imposed himself on him and pretty much seized the mantle for himself. People still have difficulty with just who Dylan was and what he did during that era. One thing for sure, Dylan invented himself as he went along, making it very hard for anyone to separate fact from fantasy. To me, that's one of the things that makes him so fascinating.

Folkie purists were like any other orthodoxy, whether it be the folkies orthose jazz purists who resisted Dizzy Gillespie and "be-bop', or other any other entrenched musical style. Folk then was about accoustic, period, and Dylan was the great young hope of folk music.He was not only booed for plugging in, but for betraying the dreams of the more traiditional folk performers and fans.I could be wrong, but wasn't Seeger also one who resented the way he thought Dylan exploited Guthrie?

[Buddah]

Jeff Craddock wrote:
Buddah wrote: on the d eal with woody, it just seems to be in retrospect that woody is thought more of than is pete.. they were together as far as timeline, but it seems when woody died, the torch wasn't past to pete, but rather bob... u know.. or at least that is how i precieved it. i could be wrog, given that iwasn;t around then... i just read many old articles on dylan pre newport plug in, where people hailed him as the next woodyÂ* etc.

Dylan must be one of the most complex artist of that era--he idolized Guthrie, but he also imposed himself on him and pretty much seized the mantle for himself.Â* People still have difficulty with just who Dylan was and what he did during that era.Â* One thing for sure, Dylan invented himself as he went along, making it very hard for anyone to separate fact from fantasy.Â* To me, that's one of the things that makes him so fascinating.

Folkie purists were like any other orthodoxy, whether it be the folkies orÂ*those jazz purists who resisted Dizzy Gillespie and "be-bop', or other any other entrenched musical style.Â* Folk then was about accoustic, period, and Dylan was the great young hope of folk music.Â*Â*Â*He was not only booed for plugging in, but for betraying the dreams of the more traiditional folk performers and fans.Â*Â*I could be wrong, but wasn't Seeger also one who resented the way he thought Dylan exploited Guthrie?Â*


good post jeff, as always. I agree about the orthodoxy of the folk music scene and yes it is like that with any. i don't know about your question. On you tube there is a short snippet of Dylan talking about Seeger, but it wasn't mentioned about exploitation or not.. i can't recall. i will re watch.. i missed the whole Dylan part of the Masters series.

[KY Native in IN]

Buddah wrote:
Jeff Craddock wrote:
Buddah wrote: on the d eal with woody, it just seems to be in retrospect that woody is thought more of than is pete.. they were together as far as timeline, but it seems when woody died, the torch wasn't past to pete, but rather bob... u know.. or at least that is how i precieved it. i could be wrog, given that iwasn;t around then... i just read many old articles on dylan pre newport plug in, where people hailed him as the next woodyÂ* etc.

Dylan must be one of the most complex artist of that era--he idolized Guthrie, but he also imposed himself on him and pretty much seized the mantle for himself.Â* People still have difficulty with just who Dylan was and what he did during that era.Â* One thing for sure, Dylan invented himself as he went along, making it very hard for anyone to separate fact from fantasy.Â* To me, that's one of the things that makes him so fascinating.

Folkie purists were like any other orthodoxy, whether it be the folkies orÂ*those jazz purists who resisted Dizzy Gillespie and "be-bop', or other any other entrenched musical style.Â* Folk then was about accoustic, period, and Dylan was the great young hope of folk music.Â*Â*Â*He was not only booed for plugging in, but for betraying the dreams of the more traiditional folk performers and fans.Â*Â*I could be wrong, but wasn't Seeger also one who resented the way he thought Dylan exploited Guthrie?Â*


good post jeff, as always. I agree about the orthodoxy of the folk music scene and yes it is like that with any. i don't know about your question. On you tube there is a short snippet of Dylan talking about Seeger, but it wasn't mentioned about exploitation or not.. i can't recall. i will re watch.. i missed the whole Dylan part of the Masters series.

that was a pretty good show....it's the scorsese movie that he just put out about him...i was hoping it would go into his gospel era, but it stopped short....i'm not much of a dylan devotee, but he's had an interesting career....funny how people wanted him to be THE spokesman for the peace movement, but he just didn't want to be what they wanted him to be...he didn't show up at all the right rallies and stuff....also his love of appalachian and bluegrass music is interesting....i've got a download of him with ralph stanley doing the old stanley brothers song, "the lonesome river".....different.....i love bluegrass personally, but it's like ya'll are talking about, real strict rules and regulations....

[Buddah]

KY Native in IN wrote:
Buddah wrote:
Jeff Craddock wrote:
Buddah wrote: on the d eal with woody, it just seems to be in retrospect that woody is thought more of than is pete.. they were together as far as timeline, but it seems when woody died, the torch wasn't past to pete, but rather bob... u know.. or at least that is how i precieved it. i could be wrog, given that iwasn;t around then... i just read many old articles on dylan pre newport plug in, where people hailed him as the next woodyÂ* etc.

Dylan must be one of the most complex artist of that era--he idolized Guthrie, but he also imposed himself on him and pretty much seized the mantle for himself.Â* People still have difficulty with just who Dylan was and what he did during that era.Â* One thing for sure, Dylan invented himself as he went along, making it very hard for anyone to separate fact from fantasy.Â* To me, that's one of the things that makes him so fascinating.

Folkie purists were like any other orthodoxy, whether it be the folkies orÂ*those jazz purists who resisted Dizzy Gillespie and "be-bop', or other any other entrenched musical style.Â* Folk then was about accoustic, period, and Dylan was the great young hope of folk music.Â*Â*Â*He was not only booed for plugging in, but for betraying the dreams of the more traiditional folk performers and fans.Â*Â*I could be wrong, but wasn't Seeger also one who resented the way he thought Dylan exploited Guthrie?Â*


good post jeff, as always. I agree about the orthodoxy of the folk music scene and yes it is like that with any. i don't know about your question. On you tube there is a short snippet of Dylan talking about Seeger, but it wasn't mentioned about exploitation or not.. i can't recall. i will re watch.. i missed the whole Dylan part of the Masters series.

that was a pretty good show....it's the scorsese movie that he just put out about him...i was hoping it would go into his gospel era, but it stopped short....i'm not much of a dylan devotee, but he's had an interesting career....funny how people wanted him to be THE spokesman for the peace movement, but he just didn't want to be what they wanted him to be...he didn't show up at all the right rallies and stuff....also his love of appalachian and bluegrass music is interesting....i've got a download of him with ralph stanley doing the old stanley brothers song, "the lonesome river".....different.....i love bluegrass personally, but it's like ya'll are talking about, real strict rules and regulations....

Yep, he came over to coeburn and done with Ralph. Ky native,my great uncle was the Ky Fox Hunter, who played fiddle with Stanley for over thirty years until his death. Appalshop, has a wonderful documentary that retraces ralph's entire carrer, from carter to the present. have you seen that. You can't classify Dylan, but many have tried.. I think some of his songs would give credence that he did have some pacfist leanings.. Also he done alot of rallies, cheif among them, the march on washington.. bob is just bob, and i appericate that... some of his gospel music is good, Every Grain of Sand etc, but he did get pretty weirded out, like the one phoniex show when he told his audience that everyone of them were going straight to hell.. lol... that's just bob though and that is why everyone of all different stripes love him, as evidenced by the crowd yesterday.

[KY Native in IN]

Buddah wrote:
KY Native in IN wrote:
Buddah wrote:
Jeff Craddock wrote:
Buddah wrote: on the d eal with woody, it just seems to be in retrospect that woody is thought more of than is pete.. they were together as far as timeline, but it seems when woody died, the torch wasn't past to pete, but rather bob... u know.. or at least that is how i precieved it. i could be wrog, given that iwasn;t around then... i just read many old articles on dylan pre newport plug in, where people hailed him as the next woodyÂ* etc.

Dylan must be one of the most complex artist of that era--he idolized Guthrie, but he also imposed himself on him and pretty much seized the mantle for himself.Â* People still have difficulty with just who Dylan was and what he did during that era.Â* One thing for sure, Dylan invented himself as he went along, making it very hard for anyone to separate fact from fantasy.Â* To me, that's one of the things that makes him so fascinating.

Folkie purists were like any other orthodoxy, whether it be the folkies orÂ*those jazz purists who resisted Dizzy Gillespie and "be-bop', or other any other entrenched musical style.Â* Folk then was about accoustic, period, and Dylan was the great young hope of folk music.Â*Â*Â*He was not only booed for plugging in, but for betraying the dreams of the more traiditional folk performers and fans.Â*Â*I could be wrong, but wasn't Seeger also one who resented the way he thought Dylan exploited Guthrie?Â*


good post jeff, as always. I agree about the orthodoxy of the folk music scene and yes it is like that with any. i don't know about your question. On you tube there is a short snippet of Dylan talking about Seeger, but it wasn't mentioned about exploitation or not.. i can't recall. i will re watch.. i missed the whole Dylan part of the Masters series.

that was a pretty good show....it's the scorsese movie that he just put out about him...i was hoping it would go into his gospel era, but it stopped short....i'm not much of a dylan devotee, but he's had an interesting career....funny how people wanted him to be THE spokesman for the peace movement, but he just didn't want to be what they wanted him to be...he didn't show up at all the right rallies and stuff....also his love of appalachian and bluegrass music is interesting....i've got a download of him with ralph stanley doing the old stanley brothers song, "the lonesome river".....different.....i love bluegrass personally, but it's like ya'll are talking about, real strict rules and regulations....

Yep, he came over to coeburn and done with Ralph. Ky native,my great uncle was the Ky Fox Hunter, who played fiddle with Stanley for over thirty years until his death. Appalshop, has a wonderful documentary that retraces ralph's entire carrer, from carter to the present. have you seen that. You can't classify Dylan, but many have tried.. I think some of his songs would give credence that he did have some pacfist leanings.. Also he done alot of rallies, cheif among them, the march on washington.. bob is just bob, and i appericate that... some of his gospel music is good, Every Grain of Sand etc, but he did get pretty weirded out, like the one phoniex show when he told his audience that everyone of them were going straight to hell.. lol... that's just bob though and that is why everyone of all different stripes love him, as evidenced by the crowd yesterday.

YOUR GREAT UNCLE IS CURLY RAY CLINE????? that's awesome....that fella could strike a mean bow on a fiddle! i'd say him and kenny baker are neck and neck for the best bluegrass fiddlers ever, just one reporter's opinion....i have seen that show on ralph, "the ralph stanley story"...A+ show....one of my favorite bluegrass pickers played with ralph, mr. Larry Sparks....i saw him down south of louisville in february, i just love to hear larry sparks! he had some different fellas in his band, but that happens in bluegrass...speaking of dylan, i've heard that he does alot of transformation of his songs, different keys, changing the styles...i think that's cool and really a true mark of a diverse and talented musician....i have a lot of respect for bob but have never been an avid fan...no real reason...if you like dylan, you should check out a friend of mine that i play music with, he's at http://www.myspace.com/brennanstoelb click on "american girls" and give it a listen...that's me on lead guitar, bass and backing vocals....he's got a dylanesque quality....i'm also recording a CD at his home studio that should be up and running soon...

[Buddah]

KY Native in IN wrote:
Buddah wrote:
KY Native in IN wrote:
Buddah wrote:
Jeff Craddock wrote:
Buddah wrote: on the d eal with woody, it just seems to be in retrospect that woody is thought more of than is pete.. they were together as far as timeline, but it seems when woody died, the torch wasn't past to pete, but rather bob... u know.. or at least that is how i precieved it. i could be wrog, given that iwasn;t around then... i just read many old articles on dylan pre newport plug in, where people hailed him as the next woodyÂ* etc.

Dylan must be one of the most complex artist of that era--he idolized Guthrie, but he also imposed himself on him and pretty much seized the mantle for himself.Â* People still have difficulty with just who Dylan was and what he did during that era.Â* One thing for sure, Dylan invented himself as he went along, making it very hard for anyone to separate fact from fantasy.Â* To me, that's one of the things that makes him so fascinating.

Folkie purists were like any other orthodoxy, whether it be the folkies orÂ*those jazz purists who resisted Dizzy Gillespie and "be-bop', or other any other entrenched musical style.Â* Folk then was about accoustic, period, and Dylan was the great young hope of folk music.Â*Â*Â*He was not only booed for plugging in, but for betraying the dreams of the more traiditional folk performers and fans.Â*Â*I could be wrong, but wasn't Seeger also one who resented the way he thought Dylan exploited Guthrie?Â*


good post jeff, as always. I agree about the orthodoxy of the folk music scene and yes it is like that with any. i don't know about your question. On you tube there is a short snippet of Dylan talking about Seeger, but it wasn't mentioned about exploitation or not.. i can't recall. i will re watch.. i missed the whole Dylan part of the Masters series.

that was a pretty good show....it's the scorsese movie that he just put out about him...i was hoping it would go into his gospel era, but it stopped short....i'm not much of a dylan devotee, but he's had an interesting career....funny how people wanted him to be THE spokesman for the peace movement, but he just didn't want to be what they wanted him to be...he didn't show up at all the right rallies and stuff....also his love of appalachian and bluegrass music is interesting....i've got a download of him with ralph stanley doing the old stanley brothers song, "the lonesome river".....different.....i love bluegrass personally, but it's like ya'll are talking about, real strict rules and regulations....

Yep, he came over to coeburn and done with Ralph. Ky native,my great uncle was the Ky Fox Hunter, who played fiddle with Stanley for over thirty years until his death. Appalshop, has a wonderful documentary that retraces ralph's entire carrer, from carter to the present. have you seen that. You can't classify Dylan, but many have tried.. I think some of his songs would give credence that he did have some pacfist leanings.. Also he done alot of rallies, cheif among them, the march on washington.. bob is just bob, and i appericate that... some of his gospel music is good, Every Grain of Sand etc, but he did get pretty weirded out, like the one phoniex show when he told his audience that everyone of them were going straight to hell.. lol... that's just bob though and that is why everyone of all different stripes love him, as evidenced by the crowd yesterday.

YOUR GREAT UNCLE IS CURLY RAY CLINE?????

yep.. pretty cool huh ? :):cool: