I don't believe in Psychics BUT.....

[Dr. H Lecter]

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They have posted a composite sketch of a suspect compiled by the late psychic, Dorothy Allison, on their Internet site with the attached message:

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Psychic sketch

"Have you seen this man? This man may have been in the Boulder area in December 1996. ... We firmly believe that this most horrible of killers will be caught based on information provided by people who care about right and wrong. ... Please help, so another innocent child will not be a victim and another family will not suffer unbearable grief."

[Buddah]

I believe in psychics, and the supernatural which to me is just things that science has yet to discover. much like the giant panda which was consider myth and folklore in the 40s. There is so much of the normal human brain that lay dormant, doctors and sciencetist don't know what it is used for or why it is there.. it would stand to reason, for me at least, that some people have a heightened faculty, for which extra sensory perception could occur... there is so much we don't know. and yes this is a dead on sketch, i wonder how he looked in 96 as opposed to now.

[surveyor]

I don't see it.

[Buddah]

surveyor wrote:
I don't see it.


seriously ? i think it is very close.. look through the eyes and nose, keep in mind ten years ago, may have different hair style, but the face is close or at least to me...

[Grub]

Buddah wrote: surveyor wrote:
I don't see it.


seriously ? i think it is very close.. look through the eyes and nose, keep in mind ten years ago, may have different hair style, but the face is close or at least to me...
Looks like Mike Kryzewski to me...

[Dr. H Lecter]

Its amazingly close if you ask me. Almost uncanny. Maybe the psychic was picking up on the person who would make a false confession down the road... I don't know...its just weird.

[Buddah]

Dr. H Lecter wrote:
Its amazingly close if you ask me.Â* Almost uncanny.Â* Maybe the psychic was picking up on the person who would make a false confession down the road... I don't know...its just weird.

i agree.. i am glad you're objective enough, even you may not subscribe to the notion of psychics that you can call a spade a spade, but yea, i think this is very veryclose... if we could look at a picture from ten years, i suspect it would look even more close.

[wanderingcat]

The suspect and the drawing are about as generic looking as possible. If Allison can "see" what he looked like, she could just as easily have seen where he lived, won the lottery, ad infinitum. All psychics make countless claims and rely on the law of averages. Their misses are soon forgotten. Also, one photo of hundreds of the suspect was chosen to "prove" the likeness.

[surveyor]

Certainly.

I could likely find a dozen or so pictures that resemble that sketch.

[HOMEYCAT]

surveyor wrote: Certainly.

I could likely find a dozen or so pictures that resemble that sketch.


Show 'em 'at good lookin' boy! :ggrin:

[Buddah]

wanderingcat wrote:
The suspect and the drawing are about as generic looking as possible.Â* IfÂ* Allison can "see" what he looked like, she could just as easily have seen where he lived, won the lottery, ad infinitum.Â* All psychics make countless claims and rely on the law of averages.Â* Their misses are soon forgotten.Â* Also, one photo of hundreds of the suspect was chosen to "prove" the likeness.

not true, that is a very big mac and fries answer that many who try to debunk psychics use often. john edwards, van prauge and others who throw enough darts that high probality and statistics come into play with the law of averages.. though they are some, such as a british lady named rosemary and a few others, including a man who sketches people/relatives who've you lost, upon meeting you, that is pretty hard to dispell, because it doesn't do anything in regards to the law of averages, yet gives credence to the supernatural, which most think if psychics are frauds, usually don't believe in ghosts. the guy who sketches were very very good, he was featured on unsolved mysteries. are all psychics correct ? of course not. are some frauds with a good smoke and mirrors ? of course. that should discount some. also there are different types of psychics, they are futurists, spirit guides. also things come in snippets, like a montage. all this is taken at face value of course. i admit some do a very good act, and as an amateur magican, it is pretty easy to fool people

though like i said some evidence to the contary makes it pretty hard to disprove. though most of the, earth is flat and only 2000 years old, crowd would not believe the possibilty of something like psychics anyways. to each their own, i think. who knows ?

[Dr. H Lecter]

wanderingcat wrote: The suspect and the drawing are about as generic looking as possible.

What the heck is a "generic" human?

It could have been a woman, a black man, mexican, a bald man, fat, bearded, round face, wavy haired, much older....thousands of possibilities.

Yet the picture she drew is pretty much on the mark.

It could be lucky but it is no doubt freaky.

[Coldstream]

I don't see it either. Not close. :rolleyes:

[HOMEYCAT]

If she had drawn a sketch of Lee Harvey Oswald, she' d have been pretty close.

[freethrow]

While I do not believe in the supernatural and ghosts and demons etc ( I need to see it to believe it) I am prone to believe that certain people do have psychic abilities. I have experienced things with my own kids and an old blind man that was a psychic, that made me a believer.

While any psychic can make enough predictions or other claims that they are bound to get something right now and then, some, again from my experience and this from a guy that is highly skeptical, seem to have a true gift.

The old blind man mentioned was right about "everything" the three different times I saw him. Blew me freaking away and did the same for some friends I took to see him. Most of it was about how my life had gone to that point. Trips I had made etc. On one trip he told me that he knew that my Mom was having health problems, which she was, he asked me if he could pray for her and I said sure. I felt a little uneasy about it but thought what the heck. While he was praying I kept my eyes closed and there was a vivid vision in my mind the entire time he was praying of my mother, naked, in a prone position but tumbling head over heel over and over again. This was the strangest thing that I have ever experienced to this day.

A few weeks later my Mother invited me over for supper. It was just me and her since my Dad worked nights. I told her about what had happened with the old blind man. She looked at me odd and she asked what day and time of day that was and I told her. Her mouth fell open wide and she gave me another strange look. She told me that on that day and at that time she was in the hospital having some tests done. They had her on something like a hamster wheel turning her over and over while injecting dye into her for some kind of test they were dong. It was after that test that the doctors found that her problems were due to a blood condition known as Polycythemia Vera. (Her body produced way too many red blood cells and that caused various problems) A treatment was prescribed and her health was much better from that day on.

[Buddah]

freethrow wrote:
While I do not believe in the supernatural and ghosts and demons etc ( I need to see it to believe it) I am prone to believe that certain people do have psychic abilities. I have experienced things with my own kids and an old blind man that was a psychic, that made me a believer.

While any psychic can make enough predictions or other claims that they are bound to get something right now and then, some, again from my experience and this from a guy that is highly skeptical, seem to have a true gift.

The old blind man mentioned was right about "everything" the three different times I saw him. Blew me freaking away and did the same for some friends I took to see him. Most of it was about how my life had gone to that point. Trips I had made etc.Â* On one trip he told me that he knew that my Mom was having health problems, which she was, he asked me if he could pray for her and I said sure. I felt a little uneasy about it but thought what the heck. While he was praying I kept my eyes closed and there was a vivid vision in my mind the entire time he was praying of my mother, naked, in a prone position but tumbling head over heel over and over again. This was the strangest thing that I have ever experienced to this day.

Â*A few weeks later my Mother invited me over for supper. It was just me and her since my Dad worked nights. I told her about what had happened with the old blind man. She looked at me odd and she asked what day and time of day that was and I told her. Her mouth fell open wide and she gave me another strange look.Â* She told me that on that day and at that time she was in the hospital having some tests done. They had her on something like a hamster wheel turning her over and over while injecting dye into her for some kind of test they were dong. It was after that test that the doctors found that her problems were due to a blood condition known as Polycythemia Vera. (Her body produced way too many red blood cells and that caused various problems)Â* A treatment was prescribed and her health was much better from that day on.


good post :thumbup, though i personally don't believe that you can believe one and not believe the other... while ESP or whatever is rooted in what some maye call a puesdo science in a manner of speaking, it does have a toe in the supernatural, when your talking about spiritualist and futurist etc...who knows ? good post though and very interesting story..... i just don't see how others dismiss the supernatural outright, yet believe in organized religion and even a litteral reading of the bible. which by its very nature is supernatural and occultic. i guess the equation of faith.. probably strayed off topic, but again good post. I wish there was someway that you could linke that one unsolved mysteries show, because like your story, that girl and that guy gave specifics right off the bat, that couldn't be labeled as a big sand box. I just don't think people can dismiss everything as one big concidence/equation/statistics or whatever.

[freethrow]

Buddah wrote: freethrow wrote:
While I do not believe in the supernatural and ghosts and demons etc ( I need to see it to believe it) I am prone to believe that certain people do have psychic abilities. I have experienced things with my own kids and an old blind man that was a psychic, that made me a believer.

While any psychic can make enough predictions or other claims that they are bound to get something right now and then, some, again from my experience and this from a guy that is highly skeptical, seem to have a true gift.

The old blind man mentioned was right about "everything" the three different times I saw him. Blew me freaking away and did the same for some friends I took to see him. Most of it was about how my life had gone to that point. Trips I had made etc. On one trip he told me that he knew that my Mom was having health problems, which she was, he asked me if he could pray for her and I said sure. I felt a little uneasy about it but thought what the heck. While he was praying I kept my eyes closed and there was a vivid vision in my mind the entire time he was praying of my mother, naked, in a prone position but tumbling head over heel over and over again. This was the strangest thing that I have ever experienced to this day.

A few weeks later my Mother invited me over for supper. It was just me and her since my Dad worked nights. I told her about what had happened with the old blind man. She looked at me odd and she asked what day and time of day that was and I told her. Her mouth fell open wide and she gave me another strange look. She told me that on that day and at that time she was in the hospital having some tests done. They had her on something like a hamster wheel turning her over and over while injecting dye into her for some kind of test they were dong. It was after that test that the doctors found that her problems were due to a blood condition known as Polycythemia Vera. (Her body produced way too many red blood cells and that caused various problems) A treatment was prescribed and her health was much better from that day on.


good post :thumbup, though i personally don't believe that you can believe one and not believe the other... while ESP or whatever is rooted in what some maye call a puesdo science in a manner of speaking, it does have a toe in the supernatural, when your talking about spiritualist and futurist etc...who knows ? good post though and very interesting story..... i just don't see how others dismiss the supernatural outright, yet believe in organized religion and even a litteral reading of the bible. which by its very nature is supernatural and occultic. i guess the equation of faith.. probably strayed off topic, but again good post. I wish there was someway that you could linke that one unsolved mysteries show, because like your story, that girl and that guy gave specifics right off the bat, that couldn't be labeled as a big sand box. I just don't think people can dismiss everything as one big concidence/equation/statistics or whatever.

I could very easily be wrong about many things I believe, but to me psychic abilities and the supernatural are not really the same. The supernatural may truly exist in ways I am unaware of and the billions that believe it so may be the correct ones. But, there is far less evidence to support it existing than psychic abilities. And neither have very much evidence. :D

The big difference is a true psychic can demonstrate their gift in many cases and I for one know of nothing supernatural that can be demonstrated or any sort of evidence to support its existence. Only a huge number that believe it does. Maybe one day I will see a ghost and my world will be rocked. :D

[JohnJ]

Grub wrote: Looks like Mike Kryzewski to me...
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[Buddah]

freethrow wrote:
Buddah wrote: freethrow wrote:
While I do not believe in the supernatural and ghosts and demons etc ( I need to see it to believe it) I am prone to believe that certain people do have psychic abilities. I have experienced things with my own kids and an old blind man that was a psychic, that made me a believer.

While any psychic can make enough predictions or other claims that they are bound to get something right now and then, some, again from my experience and this from a guy that is highly skeptical, seem to have a true gift.

The old blind man mentioned was right about "everything" the three different times I saw him. Blew me freaking away and did the same for some friends I took to see him. Most of it was about how my life had gone to that point. Trips I had made etc.Â* On one trip he told me that he knew that my Mom was having health problems, which she was, he asked me if he could pray for her and I said sure. I felt a little uneasy about it but thought what the heck. While he was praying I kept my eyes closed and there was a vivid vision in my mind the entire time he was praying of my mother, naked, in a prone position but tumbling head over heel over and over again. This was the strangest thing that I have ever experienced to this day.

Â*A few weeks later my Mother invited me over for supper. It was just me and her since my Dad worked nights. I told her about what had happened with the old blind man. She looked at me odd and she asked what day and time of day that was and I told her. Her mouth fell open wide and she gave me another strange look.Â* She told me that on that day and at that time she was in the hospital having some tests done. They had her on something like a hamster wheel turning her over and over while injecting dye into her for some kind of test they were dong. It was after that test that the doctors found that her problems were due to a blood condition known as Polycythemia Vera. (Her body produced way too many red blood cells and that caused various problems)Â* A treatment was prescribed and her health was much better from that day on.


good post :thumbup, though i personally don't believe that you can believe one and not believe the other... while ESP or whatever is rooted in what some maye call a puesdo science in a manner of speaking, it does have a toe in the supernatural, when your talking about spiritualist and futurist etc...who knows ? good post though and very interesting story..... i just don't see how others dismiss the supernatural outright, yet believe in organized religion and even a litteral reading of the bible. which by its very nature is supernatural and occultic. i guess the equation of faith.. probably strayed off topic, but again good post. I wish there was someway that you could linke that one unsolved mysteries show, because like your story, that girl and that guy gave specifics right off the bat, that couldn't be labeled as a big sand box. I just don't think people can dismiss everything as one big concidence/equation/statistics or whatever.

I could very easily be wrong about many things I believe, but to me psychic abilities and the supernatural are not really the same. The supernatural may truly exist in ways I am unaware of and the billions that believe it so may be the correct ones. But, there is far less evidence to support it existing than psychic abilities. And neither have very much evidence. :D

The big difference is a true psychic can demonstrate their gift in many cases and I for one know of nothing supernatural that can be demonstrated or any sort of evidence to support its existence. Only a huge number that believe it does. Maybe one day I will see a ghost and my world will be rocked. :D


They are in the same ball park, the superantural isn't totally defined.. i would place psychics, along with things like ufo's big foot etc... even though on the surface one is Neurology based and other may fall under cyrptozoology. they are all based in the unknown, which to and others are considered supernatural even though they are lumped into individual catergories. when people are predicit future things or telling you things that happened, to me nad many others that is superantural

there has been one documented case of a ghost/haunting which caused the death of a man. they even did a movie about it. i wouldn't talk to much about this freethrow, people will think your weird. lol

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0429573/

[Will Lavender]

I'm ashamed to say that I watched An American Haunting.

Worst movie I've ever seen. I say that with no exaggeration.

Shirley Jackson's novel The Haunting of Hill House is a more interesting take on this. The key question in that book is, "Can a ghost physically harm someone?" Of course Jackson never answers that question, which makes the book all the more frightening. It's unclear if there is really a ghost in that house or if the people are just going slowly insane.

[Buddah]

that is the question, who knows ? have you become more dissmissive of this type of stuff since your conversion will ? or do you still hold your same opinions ? it depends on what people consider harming.. could the people have been normal ? or something else been the trigger, could the ghost have indirectly cause harm to them or directly.. i think a ghost per se, could harm someone. How that can occur is up for debate ?

[AndyPopCat]

Psychics powers are crapola.

[Will Lavender]

Buddah wrote: that is the question, who knows ? have you become more dissmissive of this type of stuff since your conversion will ? or do you still hold your same opinions ? it depends on what people consider harming.. could the people have been normal ? or something else been the trigger, could the ghost have indirectly cause harm to them or directly.. i think a ghost per se, could harm someone. How that can occur is up for debate ?
I think I've always been dismissive of it.

"Dismissive" is probably the wrong word, though. I think there's a lot that's unexplainable. If somebody tells me a ghost story, I listen. Intently. I've always been a sucker for a good ghost story.

[Grub]

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[surveyor]

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[Buddah]

Will Lavender wrote:
Buddah wrote: that is the question, who knows ? have you become more dissmissive of this type of stuff since your conversion will ? or do you still hold your same opinions ? it depends on what people consider harming.. could the people have been normal ? or something else been the trigger, could the ghost have indirectly cause harm to them or directly.. i think a ghost per se, could harm someone. How that can occur is up for debate ?
I think I've always been dismissive of it.

"Dismissive" is probably the wrong word, though. I think there's a lot that's unexplainable. If somebody tells me a ghost story, I listen. Intently. I've always been a sucker for a good ghost story. Â*


But Dismissive isn't an absoulte denial ? I agree there is alot that is unexplainable, and there in lies what is unknown, which some people consider supernatural, which may or may not be rooted in other things, that usually come to light many years after the fact. who knows ? alot of people that are so quick to dismiss this or anything thing else in that realm ( deju vu etc) is rooted in a funmental christian belief right or wrong.. not everyone though, glad you are at least open to a possibility.

[Grub]

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Now that's pretty durn close...

[freethrow]

AndyPopCat wrote: Psychics powers are crapola.
For a long time I felt the same way. Something may change your mind one day too. :)

[baldcat]

I'm more than open to the possibility that the human mind has potentials that have not yet been fullyexplored.

I've watched a few episodes of Psychi Detectives on Court TV and they have actual, real lifepolice detectives getting on national TV and swearing to the accuracy of psychics who have helped them on difficult cases.

And anyone who doubts the existence of precognition never met my grandmother.

[Buddah]

baldcat wrote:
I'm more than open to the possibility that the human mind has potentials that have not yet been fullyÂ*explored.

I've watched a few episodes of Psychi Detectives on Court TV and they have actual, real lifeÂ*police detectives getting on national TV and Â*swearing to the accuracy of psychics who have helped them on difficult cases.Â*

And anyone who doubts the existence of precognition never met my grandmother.


:thumbup good post, makes two for two tonight bald. ;) that is what i am saying.. it is naive for anyone to suggest that the human mind, which may be able to do things not yet discovered.. this could include ESP.. maybe we have only have found crumbs of something much bigger in realtion to certain things. while people can't quantify the spiritual, they are willing to buy that or any varation of it at face value.. yet, here are things that most scientist talk about in regards to the human mind about what lies dormat and those same people are ready to dismiss that outright, in regards to extra sensory perception etc.. i feel like it should be the other way around, but that is just my opinion. never close off to anything, even something as trival as saying certain species couldn't exist.. i mean people did believe the giant panda and certain ape speices were foolishness. now we know that is real...

[AndyPopCat]

freethrow wrote: AndyPopCat wrote: Psychics powers are crapola.
For a long time I felt the same way. Something may change your mind one day too. :)


Ummmm....no. :cool:

Some of the comments in this thread are funny.

[AndyPopCat]

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[Buddah]

AndyPopCat wrote:
freethrow wrote: AndyPopCat wrote: Psychics powers are crapola.
For a long time I felt the same way. Something may change your mind one day too. :)


Ummmm....no. :cool:

Some of the comments in this thread are funny.

Â*


andy, you're so straight laced, i love it. lmao . i am making a prediction, that you finally make me a copy of that CD i wanted. :cool::dude: i can see it now. lol

[freethrow]

AndyPopCat wrote: freethrow wrote: AndyPopCat wrote: Psychics powers are crapola.
For a long time I felt the same way. Something may change your mind one day too. :)


Ummmm....no. :cool:

Some of the comments in this thread are funny.



Andy, I bet you have had things happened to you that are hard to explain. I can't count the times that I have been thinking of an old friend or relative I have not thought of in awhile and suddenly the phone rings or there is a knock at my door and there they were. Sure, most of those instances are probably just coincidence, but there are just too many of those times for there not to be something else going on. At least every once in awhile.

Do you have kids or spend a lot of time around them? Kids are more apt to show signs of this ability than older folks. Have you ever been thinking of something or had just discussed something when a kid was well out of ear shot and then when close to you again they bring up the same exact thing just out of the blue? If not, keep an ear open. I bet something makes you think a little different soon. :)

[AndyPopCat]

Buddah wrote: andy, you're so straight laced, i love it. lmao . i am making a prediction, that you finally make me a copy of that CD i wanted. :cool::dude: i can see it now. lol


Not straight laced...just don't buy into religion, ghost and psychic type things.


Funny you should mention that. You must be psychic. :ggrin: I found my copy but couldn't burn it because it was scratched. A buddy just gave me another copy last week. You at the same address? I'll mail you a copy tomorrow. No BS. I'll even throw something else in there for ya. Got Johnny Cash's new one?