Bad News

[Sam K.]

According to Lex. Channel 27: Aaron Miller is ineligible and a player (unnamed) was injured today.

[EricBigNally]

Was it said as to why Miller is ineligble? Hopefully the injury was very mild.

[ukbob]

Miller because of acafemics. Not sure who the injury is.

The hits keep on coming fr UK football. :(

[ukbob]

Rivals just reported that Craigman and Stevens(WR) are out indefinitely with bad injuriesl

Waiting for more shoes to drop. The Miller loss is huge, IMO.

[Caveman Catfan]

Maybe that is why he was running with the third team (Miller). The loss of Johnson is even bigger, IMO. How discouraging.

[ukbob]

Caveman Catfan wrote: Maybe that is why he was running with the third team (Miller). The loss of Johnson is even bigger, IMO. How discouraging.
Johnson?????

[Sam K.]

Early reports: Grigsby, the Juco db, out w a wrist problem. AND Darry Stephens w a broken bone in his ankle. With the injuries, Stephens can redshirt and I believe Grigsby can too.

[ukbob]

It is not Craigman, it is Grigsby, according to Rivals.

This all needs to be sorted out.

[RV]

This is where our new found depth will have to come through. Still looking forward - not back.

[baldcat]

Miller needs to decide whether he's gonna take advantage of his God given talent or squander it.

:X

[EricBigNally]

They just can't get a break (no pun inteded) to go in their favor can they... Miller needs to get his academics in order and I pray for those with injuries for a full recovery.

[Cant Get Right]

No football, no cry.:beer:

[Caveman Catfan]

ukbob wrote: Caveman Catfan wrote: Maybe that is why he was running with the third team (Miller). The loss of Johnson is even bigger, IMO. How discouraging.
Johnson?????
Sorry. I saw Stevens and it registered as Steve Johnson.

[BigBlueAngus]

ukbob wrote: Miller because of acafemics. Not sure who the injury is.

The hits keep on coming fr UK football. :(

This young guys have a lot of trouble with their acafemics. I find it very stressifumul. :P

[ukbob]

BigBlueAngus wrote: ukbob wrote: Miller because of acafemics. Not sure who the injury is.

The hits keep on coming fr UK football. :(

This young guys have a lot of trouble with their acafemics. I find it very stressifumul. :P


Obviously, I am having the same trouble. :D

A_C_A_D_E_M_I_C_S. Only took me 2 tries though.

[Caveman Catfan]

Grigsby evidently came to camp with a wrist injury. Brooks said that Miller was running third string, although he admits that Miller might have had this hanging over his head, impacting his play. Alexander and Williams have been outplaying Miller in practice (at least that is how he presented it - could be that he did not want to put too much stock in Miller if Miller was not going to be eligible).

[RV]

Looks as though Miller is done at UK. They're looking at other schools where he might be able toplay. Alexander and G Williams will have to handle the load.

Stevens broke a bone in his ankle and tore ligaments in non-contact drill in shorts - likely out for the year.

Grigsby came in with a pre-existing wrist injury which had been causing him problems. Will undergo surgery and may not be out too long.

[gerntz]

Miller's loss can't be used as a excuse when evaluating Brooks & the team this year. This staff recruited him & everyone loses some people, including good starters. This year's results will still be valid, good or bad.

[cobbycobb]

Miller has gone home for now. The university has until next Wed. to figure out if Miller will be suspended from school and if he is eligible to go to a juco or not. Brooks does not seem to positive about Miller's plight at this point. Hopefully, something positive comes from this.

[Caveman Catfan]

Man, I hope I never see another thread entitled "Bad News." :dmad:

[dpinlex]

gerntz wrote: Miller's loss can't be used as a excuse when evaluating Brooks & the team this year. This staff recruited him & everyone loses some people, including good starters. This year's results will still be valid, good or bad.


Thanks for clarifying the ground rules. :rolleyes:

Care to shed any light on how many victories is considered a success?Once that number is established there will not be a need for any evaluation to be done.

[RedandBlackATTACK]

The Miller kid has some issues. Whatever they may be I hope is able to overcome them.

Rick

C-Bus

[Terry L. Wildcat]

:beer::beer::beer::beer:...It's something that happens...it's more painful for us because we are building our depth...I think Kentucky football fans are the best fans a school could have :cool:

[baldcat]

The ten gazillion dollar question is whether Miller was running 3rd string because he knew he was done and was just mailing it in or whether the guys ahead of him were just better.

I don't want to take shots at him but this is two years in a row he has left the team in a lurch.

If I made the call he won't be back ever.

[cobbycobb]

I'm glad you don't make the call. You shouldn't give up on the kid. He has so much potential and is a good kid. I would agree IF he was a trouble maker and problem child, but he isn't. He just has some mental aspects that he needs to fix.

[Caveman Catfan]

baldcat wrote: The ten gazillion dollar question is whether Miller was running 3rd string because he knew he was done and was just mailing it in or whether the guys ahead of him were just better.

Interesting question, but quite irrelevant now.

[baldcat]

I'm just really frustrated.

Nothing against Miller.....its just that all the crap that falls on UK football wears old after a decade or two.

cobbycobb wrote:
I'm glad you don't make the call. You shouldn't give up on the kid. He has so much potential and is a good kid. I would agree IF he was a trouble maker and problem child, but he isn't. He just has some mental aspects that he needs to fix.

[cobbycobb]

When times are hard and down that is when we need to pull together the most.

[MercerTitan]

RedandBlackATTACK wrote: The Miller kid has some issues. Whatever they may be I hope is able to overcome them.

Rick

C-Bus


:thumbup I appreciate your post, R&B. On the rivalry forum this kid is the butt of a lot of tasteless jokes. I don't understand why a kid failing is funny. Just don't see it. I'm done with that forum.

Allegiances aside, you are OK in my book.

[NotFrank]

RedandBlackATTACK wrote: The Miller kid has some issues. Whatever they may be I hope is able to overcome them.

Rick

C-Bus

I don't post that much anymore, but classy post R&B. Football aside, I hope this kid gets it together. This really puts football in perspective...

[trublue4life]

I wish Aaron well and hope he gets things together. Obviously, he has some personal issues to work through. On the other hand though, it seems we are having a little bit of an overreaction to this news. Basically, we lost a kid that we didn't have all of last season. We are still two-deep at his position with two quality kids. Garry Williams was expected to push him for the starting spot anyway, and yet Williams is listed at number 2 behind James Alexander. That speaks well of Alexander. The other two are injuries to players not expected to start.No news flash here. Every team has them. We still haven't lost anything like we lost heading into last season (knock on wood). The this-is-the-usual-gloom-and-doom-of-Kentucky-football posts seem a little over the top, IMO.

[UKHAS7NCAA]

Good teams overcome injuries (unless you have as many as we did last year). Others must step up. Stay positive.

[CATHYnKY]

UKHAS7NCAA wrote: Good teams overcome injuries (unless you have as many as we did last year). Others must step up. Stay positive.

:thumbup Exactly!

[UedK]

baldcat wrote: I'm just really frustrated.

Nothing against Miller.....its just that all the crap that falls on UK football wears old after a decade or two.

cobbycobb wrote:
I'm glad you don't make the call. You shouldn't give up on the kid. He has so much potential and is a good kid. I would agree IF he was a trouble maker and problem child, but he isn't. He just has some mental aspects that he needs to fix.

I'm probably in the same place as you. A long time fan with (I thought) a bottomless well of hope and enthusiasm, but with the Miller news and the few injuries reported yesterday I am almost to the point where I may just turn everything off and just wait for the first game and then for the first tailgate and home game a week later.

And cobby, I agree with you on Miller, he seems to be a good person. I hope he finds a way to get where he wants to be.

[UedK]

MercerTitan wrote: RedandBlackATTACK wrote: The Miller kid has some issues. Whatever they may be I hope is able to overcome them.

Rick

C-Bus


:thumbup I appreciate your post, R&B. On the rivalry forum this kid is the butt of a lot of tasteless jokes. I don't understand why a kid failing is funny. Just don't see it. I'm done with that forum.

Allegiances aside, you are OK in my book.
Mercer, I quit posting and even reading the rivalry board months ago. I realized that the mean spirited non UK posters were not the type of people I wanted to be associated with. I have expressed my opinion to the WCF administrators that the rivalry board should be deleted. I feel that it is a blemish on what is otherwise a great site.

[UedK]

CATHYnKY wrote: UKHAS7NCAA wrote: Good teams overcome injuries (unless you have as many as we did last year). Others must step up. Stay positive.

:thumbup Exactly!
Cathy and UKHAS7, keep the positive vibe alive. Please. :thumbup

[RedandBlackATTACK]

I seldom venture over there. Ibelieve two posts out of about 500 and both of those were to correct misinformation. I guess for folks that grew up listening to Jim Rome (a dolt) and the like, it's fun for them, but does nothing for me. I would rather just talk football.

Rick

C-Bus

[Charlie Brown]

RedandBlackATTACK wrote: I seldom venture over there. Ibelieve two posts out of about 500 and both of those were to correct misinformation. I guess for folks that grew up listening to Jim Rome (a dolt) and the like, it's fun for them, but does nothing for me. I would rather just talk football.

Rick

C-Bus


Amen to that. But, with practices being closed there is precious little to discuss because we are starving for info. What little we do have is not exactly positive. Next week I will start posting questions to you on your thoughts on lineups, strengths vs. weaknesses on both sides. I am concerned on a few fronts with the Cats and I think it will make for interesting discussions to speculate what ifs, etc.

I honestly am looking so forward to Sep. 3rd. Nobody gave the Cats a chance last year and if Andre would have made it in the end zone, who knows where that game would have gone. But, that is why they play the games.......

[RedandBlackATTACK]

I honestly am looking so forward to Sep. 3rd. Nobody gave the Cats a chance last year and if Andre would have made it in the end zone, who knows where that game would have gone. But, that is why they play the games.......
Exactly why College Football is without a doubt the best game in town. I am not a pro guy, yea I will watch it on Sunday but the pro game is inundated with vastly overpaid social misfits (coaches-owners included) that it just doesn't do a whole lot for me.

Nothing beats College Game Day, the band, socializing with friends you don't see except for game days in fall, the food, rivalry games, allowing yourself to scream and yell like a youngster, the improbable upsets where vastly undermanned squads playing for pride and thier school as opposed to a paycheck, and I say again, the band, You just can't beat it.

[RV]

I didn't even ralize that there was a rivalry (smack talking) board on this site. Never been there- never will be but IMHO boards like that are just a magnet for human flotsam. If you keep your garbage cleaned up you won't draw flies.

[poodoo]

CATHYnKY wrote: UKHAS7NCAA wrote: Good teams overcome injuries (unless you have as many as we did last year). Others must step up. Stay positive.

:thumbup Exactly!

Exactly, and I'm sure that is the UK coaches' attitude. Actually, I remember Coach Archer saying something quite similar when defensive player after defensive player went down for him last season. Of course, as UKHAS7NCAA just said, the number of injuries last season was, in contrast,really hard to overcome. Right now there is nogreat concern. I do hope that no players are thinking, "Here we go again," which would not be good for the team.

The news still hurts, though. Like others here, I wish Aaron Millernothing but the best. His loss will certainly hurt the offensive line, as I suspect his recent effort and play was subparas he had realized his chances for academic eligibility were slim. Too, with the lack of experience at cornerback, the loss of Grigsby with his experience in junior college hurts.

Regardless, the news could have been a whole lot worse, folks. Let's STAY POSITIVE! I still expect to see a very good football team this season, especially as the season develops (and, yes, we must still stay away from key injuries). Those POSITIVE vibes about UK football this season need to continue to be felt and expressed. GO CATS! :)

[poodoo]

Miller's loss can't be used as a excuse when evaluating Brooks & the team this year. This staff recruited him & everyone loses some people, including good starters. This year's results will still be valid, good or bad.



Who said it could! :(Honestly,whether or not a lostplayercould be used as an excuse in evaluating Brooksis the least of my concerns right now. My concern, instead, is that no other key players are lost. To be totally honest, Keenan Burton, in particular, is a player that we simply must not lose.

Also, yes, injuries are part of football. EVERYONE does not lose "people, including good starters," though. When we had that 7-5 record in 2002, not a SINGLE key player was lost to injury. Some good luck can certainly positively affect a team's performance. Personally,the UK football team'sheading the direction of those 2002 good fortunes SOON wouldsurely make mehappy.:)

Some fans last year called using the injuries as an "excuse." :(Well, I read yesterday that SEVENTEEN players missed a total of EIGHTY games last season (and most of those players were key players, mostly starters, in fact), and there were THIRTY-ONE surgeries. That's just unreal. Some fans (not many the quoted poster) will continue to call that an "excuse." Thankfully, I think most realize that the injuries were a "reason" for last year's disappointing record.

Again, my concern is that we don't lose more key players. Let's all keep our fingers crossed and worry about that,not the existence of any potential "excuses" for Coach Brooks and the team.

[gerntz]

dpinlex wrote: gerntz wrote: Miller's loss can't be used as a excuse when evaluating Brooks & the team this year. This staff recruited him & everyone loses some people, including good starters. This year's results will still be valid, good or bad.


Thanks for clarifying the ground rules. :rolleyes:

Care to shed any light on how many victories is considered a success?Once that number is established there will not be a need for any evaluation to be done.
Why don't you try putting your own views out first rather than starting by picking at mine.

[gerntz]

poodoo wrote: Miller's loss can't be used as a excuse when evaluating Brooks & the team this year. This staff recruited him & everyone loses some people, including good starters. This year's results will still be valid, good or bad.



Who said it could! :(Honestly,whether or not a lostplayercould be used as an excuse in evaluating Brooksis the least of my concerns right now. My concern, instead, is that no other key players are lost. To be totally honest, Keenan Burton, in particular, is a player that we simply must not lose.

Also, yes, injuries are part of football. EVERYONE does not lose "people, including good starters," though. When we had that 7-5 record in 2002, not a SINGLE key player was lost to injury. Some good luck can certainly positively affect a team's performance. Personally,the UK football team'sheading the direction of those 2002 good fortunes SOON wouldsurely make mehappy.:)

Some fans last year called using the injuries as an "excuse." :(Well, I read yesterday that SEVENTEEN players missed a total of EIGHTY games last season (and most of those players were key players, mostly starters, in fact), and there were THIRTY-ONE surgeries. That's just unreal. Some fans (not many the quoted poster) will continue to call that an "excuse." Thankfully, I think most realize that the injuries were a "reason" for last year's disappointing record.

Again, my concern is that we don't lose more key players. Let's all keep our fingers crossed and worry about that,not the existence of any potential "excuses" for Coach Brooks and the team.

One of my key issues this year is evaluating whether I think Brooks comes back. It's highly questionable to me. Everyone is of course welcome to have their separate concerns.

I've never called for RB's head and have accepted the previous seasons' low player numbers as reasons for the poor results & for the number of injuries. IMO this is no longer the case to stop clear improvement in results even if not title contending improvement. Of course I don't want injuries or eligibility losses, but they are not going to influence my evaluation such that I'm not going to bemoan them with regard to the team's performance, only as it impacts the individuals. AM has had plenty of chances to prove himself. Now he's gone due to his choices. I've moved on.

I've waited for improvement & am tired of the lack of it. No more. The time is now.

[RedandBlackATTACK]

Now he's gone due to his choices


It may not be in fact, that cut and dry. I do not pretend to know the young man nor why he has struggled in the classroom. I do know that it may NOT be as a result of lack of effort.

“I feel bad for Aaron,” Brooks said" It would appear that HC Brooks has also with held judgement.


So, I find your choice of words troublesome.

Rick

C-Bus

[poodoo]

I've never called for RB's head and have accepted the previous seasons' low player numbers as reasons for the poor results & for the number of injuries.QUOTE by gerntz

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FWIW, gerntz, I was aware of that and thus did not mean my comment about "excuses" to be directed toward you. Some fans,in contrast toyou, have been obsessed about last season's injuries' merely being "excuses." That's why I had the lengthy response. I tired of the argument last season that ALL teams deal with injuries and that they were only an "excuse." I know of no team that has endured what UK went through last season, in actuality. Anyway, again, those comments were not meant to be personal, as I had known you had been fair toward Coach Brooks and accepting of those injuries as reasons last season.

Surely no one would try to use Miller's ineligibility as an excuse. To me, that would be ridiculous. Yet, using all those injuries last season as a reason for our performance on the field makes a lot of sense to me (as it does to you).

Like you, I felt that Coach Brooks could not be fairly evaluated last season, because of that undue amount of injuries to key players. That was my argument as the season progressed.

Yet, another point of my post was that my main concern is simply that we do not go that injury route again for what it could do to the hopes of these players and to the program's future. In other words, yes, I would regret such injuries' occurring as it would again be hard to evaluate Coach Brooks, butMOSTLY I would be concerned about its effect on the season. That's just my strong feelings on that, and I imagine you really feel the same.

Having said that, I dont' think (KNOCK ON WOOD) that anything remotely approaching last year's injuries is possible. It simply must not be. Yet, in all fairness, if, heaven forbid, we met injuries to the degree of last season, for me it would STILL behard to evaluate Coach Brooks and his staff (although I feel sure he would still have to have five wins to be retained).Let's don't even begin to think that way, though. :)GO CATS! :)

[poodoo]

R&B, nice observation. I, too, noticed that Coach Brooks said, "I feel bad for Aaron." We fans sometimes speculate without knowing important details of the story. If Coach Brooks feels bad for Aaron, I also tend to feel bad for him.

[VirginiaBlue]

This has been on the rumor mill for some time ( http://www.wildcatnation.net/forum/view_topic.php?id=23462&forum_id=4 ), but I sure am saddened to get home (been away from the computer for a couple of days) and find it out. Having Aaron back was one of the prime comforting thoughts for this year, because the OL is where it all begins. Maybe he was being outplayed and had indeed lost his starting job; maybe the coaches knew it some time ago and demoted him - whatever, he is a HUGE loss to this team.

In this case, as in all cases concerning young athletes who go astray (except maybe Maurice Clarett), I wish him nothing but the best of luck...