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Old 11-04-2009, 10:42 AM
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^ Man that is depressing. Thank goodness we will never see crap like that again.


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Old 11-04-2009, 11:22 AM
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Here is my take at all of Tubby's recruiting woes. I might have missed a player or two, but there is an obvious, direct link between these woeful classes and our under performance. What is most remarkable is how much success we had in 2003, 2004, and 2005. Tubby got hugely lucky with the Fitch/Hawkins/Daniels class (a classic Tubby last second cut and paste class) and with Chuck Hayes. Take away Buike (who fell into Tubby's lap super late in the process) and Hayes and the 2001 and 2002 classes were abysmal, as was 2003. 2005 was a joke. That's 4 out 5 that were awful, with the exception of Buike and Chuck. You can't recruit like that and expect to have any success. Ever.

2007
A.J. Stewart
Mike Williams (transferred after freshman year)

2006
Meeks
Stevenson
Harris
Porter
Jasper (transferred after sophomore year)
Coury (transferred after sophomore year)

2005
Carter
Williams (transferred after freshman year)
Sims (JUCO) (transferred after junior year)

2004
Rondo (McD AA)
Crawford (McD AA)
Morris (McD AA)
Bradley
Sparks

2003
Perry
Thomas
Orbzut
Alleyne (transferred after junior year)

2002
Azubuike
Stockton
Cote (transferred after sophomore year)
Barbour (JUCO)
Moss (walk-on)

2001
Hayes
Carrier
Carruth (McD AA) (transferred after freshman year)
Chiles (transferred after freshman year)


2000
Daniels
Fitch
Hawkins
Parker (kicked off team after sophomore year)

1999
Bogans (McD AA)
Stone (McD AA) (kicked off team during junior year)
Estill
Stewart (passed away)

1998
Prince (McD AA)
Blevins
Camara
Allison (kicked off team after sophomore year)

1997
Smith
Bradley (transferred after sophomore year)
Anthony (transferred during sophomore year)
Hogan (transferred after sophomore year)
I just got sick to my stomach.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:34 AM
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I just got sick to my stomach.
Guess that is where we should leave the Tubby debate...the facts speak volumes...in many ways Tubby "overachieved" with that recruiting record.
To the last 3 posters...thanks for the breakdown on recruiting and summing up my feelings about how to achieve GREATNESS! Its about players...always has been here at KENTUCKY and is once again...thanks to Coach Cal!


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Old 11-04-2009, 01:35 PM
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Tubby's guys have had more of a impact at the next level than Rick's have.....
Let's just say that you and I are not going to agree on this AT ALL!!

Mashburn, Walker, Mercer, Anderson, and even Magloire for a short period of time were all "stars". Mohammad, Delk, McCarty and Padgett were all "good, serviceable role players".

So Rondo and Prince are "stars". But what have Tubby's other guys done? Bogans and Hayes each fit into that "good, serviceable role player" category....and the book is still out on Azabuike, who might be somewhere in between the two categories. But that's it.

Then...when you consider that Rick's recruiting came during a time period when Kentucky was on and coming off of probation, and was at it's lowest point in school history....and that he got those guys in 8 years.....

Compared to Tubby's recruiting when Kentucky had just come off of three consecutive championship game appearances when the school was arguably at it's highest point ever and he did it over 10 years....

and sorry, but we're definitely not going to see eye to eye on this one.


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Old 11-04-2009, 01:59 PM
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Let's just say that you and I are not going to agree on this AT ALL!!

Mashburn, Walker, Mercer, Anderson, and even Magloire for a short period of time were all "stars". Mohammad, Delk, McCarty and Padgett were all "good, serviceable role players".

So Rondo and Prince are "stars". But what have Tubby's other guys done? Bogans and Hayes each fit into that "good, serviceable role player" category....and the book is still out on Azabuike, who might be somewhere in between the two categories. But that's it.

Then...when you consider that Rick's recruiting came during a time period when Kentucky was on and coming off of probation, and was at it's lowest point in school history....and that he got those guys in 8 years.....

Compared to Tubby's recruiting when Kentucky had just come off of three consecutive championship game appearances when the school was arguably at it's highest point ever and he did it over 10 years....

and sorry, but we're definitely not going to see eye to eye on this one.


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I see what your saying and the best thing about it all, it doesn't even matter.One may even argue that Pitino's success helped in Tubby's early recruiting success due to the fact that Kentucky was the team of the 90's and was on top of the food chain until the new finally wore off with Tubby.

Bottomline, whether it was Tubby's or Rick's recruits, im just proud that both coaches have put some good players in the NBA representing our school and our basketball tradition...........

I think that's one thing that we can both agree upon
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:20 PM
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DC, thanks for the great post. I threw up in my mouth a little while reading that. I had almost forgotten about all the transfers. Those were some hard times thinking we had talent coming in and then jhaving them transfer. As I remember there were myriad excuses everytime someone left.


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Old 11-04-2009, 03:31 PM
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DC, thanks for the great post. I threw up in my mouth a little while reading that. I had almost forgotten about all the transfers. Those were some hard times thinking we had talent coming in and then jhaving them transfer. As I remember there were myriad excuses everytime someone left.
And I forgot to include Cory Sears and Nate Knight...yikes...glad we can focus on a bright future of elite talent again!


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Old 11-04-2009, 05:39 PM
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Maybe it was Pitino's players and his system, but i will always remember this........

Down 17 points with 9 to go against Duke, Tubby put on one hell of a coaching perfomance that day and i will always remember that. Im not sure if Pitino could have pushed those buttons that day and let's be honest, the 98 team was less talented than the 96 and 97 teams
QFT.

Tubby completely outcoached K in the 2nd half. At one point he knew his players were tired, but Duke needed a TO and Tubby refused to give it to them.

I like what someone else said, Ricks recruits, but Tubby had less talent than the 97 team and still managed to win it and *no one* had those expectations at the beginning of the year.

Its a UK basketball board, and Tubby is part of the history.

As far as a him digging UK into a hole, it sure doesn't seem that Cal is having any problem getting out of the hole. Rick had scholarship restrictions, no TV and no tournament holes to dig out of. I think the 'holes' are hardly equal.

Someone mentioned Tubby skulking away - would you only been happy had he been fired? I'm sure Tubby would have been happy with the millions UK would have had to pay him had they fired him. I don't see how Tubby leaving on his own was anything but the best resolution for both sides.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:23 PM
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Tubby had us in a DEEP hole. If you dont see that your blind. Reason why Cal is getting us out of it so quick is because he is the man when it comes to recruiting. We were at the bottom last year IMO thanx to Tubby and the drunk. Time to go up and fast.


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Old 11-04-2009, 11:34 PM
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All we have here is another stale argument against a guy with a National Championship ring from folks still too bitter to understand the significance of that achievement. Count 'em, eleven championships total while averaging 26 wins per for 10 seasons.

You cannot be serious! Wooden isn't walking through that door!
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:42 PM
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As far as the Gophers, this is their time to challenge in the Big 10. Tubby's discipline will go a long way to help reach their goals. I wish them luck, especially vs IU. BTW, Sampson III looks like a player to be reckoned with based on last year.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:45 PM
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As far as the Gophers, this is their time to challenge in the Big 10. Tubby's discipline will go a long way to help reach their goals. I wish them luck, especially vs IU. BTW, Sampson III looks like a player to be reckoned with based on last year.
How good was the older Sampson?


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Old 11-05-2009, 12:16 AM
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How good was the older Sampson?
Good enough to be a 3x winner of the Naismith, Rupp, USBWA College POY awards. His son is only a sophmore and 6'11" but could potentially become the best center in the league.
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Old 11-05-2009, 03:50 AM
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yeay tuuby go goophers

I hope they lose a lot of games

at least ten a year


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Old 11-05-2009, 06:23 PM
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I had seen and read this thread for the first time last night. I had not responded, just hoping it would die. Since it's still on the first page tonight, though, I'll go on and say what I had thought as I had read through the thread last night.

No, what I'm saying is not any discussion about Tubby's time here, for I'm just excitedly thinking, instead, of our hopefully doing some great things under Coach Cal in the present and future.:icon_biggrin: What I'm now saying is the reaction I had had as I had read last evening. Take it for what it's worth, which is surely not much at all.

While I realize some folks are very serious with their comments and other folks are just having some fun with it, as I read here, all I am thinking is what some national commentators have said about "us" Kentucky fans in regard to Tubby's time here and departure. As someone posted within the thread, even when goaded, Tubby has said not one single one word against Kentucky or us fans -- in fact, he has praised us, including even recommending our program to a player (and had that been Daniel Orton ?). Meanwhile "we" have a thread with some rather controversial comments -- comments that can provide fodder for that national media that "we" fans then say paint "us" so unfairly. Hmmm.

Let's see -- I believe Tubby left over two and a half years ago. Mr. Poodoo couldn't believe that some folks had still been discussing Tubby at Kentucky LAST basketball season. Well, Mr. Poodoo, there's an update.

That's all I have to say about that. :icon_biggrin: You guys get right back to that old "Tubby debate," of course -- and enjoy yourselves.

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Old 11-05-2009, 08:00 PM
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-- in fact, he has praised us, including even recommending our program to a player (and had that been Daniel Orton ?).

GO CATS! GO COACH CAL!


I may be wrong or perhaps i overlooked something, but i believe that person was Patrick Patterson........

I still only give Gillispie half credit for the recrutment of Patrick and i still don't think that ol Billy was the recruiter he was cracked up to be.I think he made his living off Acie Law and rode it all the way to the bank
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Old 11-05-2009, 09:31 PM
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QFT.

Tubby completely outcoached K in the 2nd half. At one point he knew his players were tired, but Duke needed a TO and Tubby refused to give it to them.

I like what someone else said, Ricks recruits, but Tubby had less talent than the 97 team and still managed to win it and *no one* had those expectations at the beginning of the year.

Its a UK basketball board, and Tubby is part of the history.

As far as a him digging UK into a hole, it sure doesn't seem that Cal is having any problem getting out of the hole. Rick had scholarship restrictions, no TV and no tournament holes to dig out of. I think the 'holes' are hardly equal.

Someone mentioned Tubby skulking away - would you only been happy had he been fired? I'm sure Tubby would have been happy with the millions UK would have had to pay him had they fired him. I don't see how Tubby leaving on his own was anything but the best resolution for both sides.
For the record, I read about half of this thread and have no desire to read the rest of it, I never care to see any more Tubby bashing.

Tubby Smith is one of the best in-game coaches I've ever seen. On several occasions, not just that Duke game....I was sure we were toast, only to see him work his coaching magic, bring his team back from the dead and win. Yes it was time for him to go, and I think he was ready to leave. In my opinion, very few coaches could last for very many seasons having to stand up to pressure and expectations that come with the UK job (We've just watched one coach completely implode). Tubby seemed to be kinda beaten down by it all and I don't blame him for leaving. Much better that he left on his own, one more subpar season and he probably would have been fired. I have nothing but respect for the man and it makes Kentucky fans look REALLY bad that some just can't let go of this, and are STILL bashing him.


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Old 11-05-2009, 11:50 PM
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To be honest I didn't read it all either although when the bashing isn't pathetic, it's an extremely humorous 2 1/2 year obsession.
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Old 11-06-2009, 04:08 AM
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To be honest I didn't read it all either although when the bashing isn't pathetic, it's an extremely humorous 2 1/2 year obsession.
Yes, it is. Some of us really wish you guys could let it go.


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