2009 Reds Thread

[Will Lavender]

Originally Posted by ukwebfan

Can you say Jonny Gomes!!

I wouldn't mind seeing them keep Gomes. Stubbs, Bruce, Votto, Phillips, Rolen, and then...

Catcher and shortstop are pretty tough. Not really sure there. Would love to see a move to get JJ Hardy.

[cumberlandredskin]

Originally Posted by Will Lavender

I wouldn't mind seeing them keep Gomes. Stubbs, Bruce, Votto, Phillips, Rolen, and then...

Catcher and shortstop are pretty tough. Not really sure there. Would love to see a move to get JJ Hardy.

Hanigan is good at catcher but they need a realy good backup that can play about 50 games or so. Miller and Tatum just can't hit MLB piching and Hernandez is too expensive to keep. He has a 8.5 million option and I doubt the Reds pick that up.
This is a long shot to get but if they could get a top of the rotation pitcher that would be best. They have four pretty solid starters going into next season but none are aces. It would cost a lot but if they could get a top notch starter either by FA or trade they really could be a contender.
Hardy may be a good option at SS but the way he was just suddenly dropped by the Brewers sent up red flags for me. Must be something wrong there.

[Will Lavender]

A lot of people are saying Dickerson in center?

Can that be right? Didn't Stubbs play well enough when he came up to win that job?

[cumberlandredskin]

Originally Posted by Will Lavender

A lot of people are saying Dickerson in center?

Can that be right? Didn't Stubbs play well enough when he came up to win that job?

He showed enough for me. Of course he has to prove it over 162 game schedule. IMO Dickerson would be a really good 4th outfielder. I could live with Gomes in LF,Stubbs in CF and Bruce in RF with Dickerson being the primary backup OF.

[cumberlandredskin]

Homer Bailey named play of the week for the last week of the season. I'm cautiously optimistic that he has turned the corner to being a good and consistent MLB pitcher.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=cin

[mrkdooley]

With the World Series going on, I started thinking about baseball and to me baseball always has something to do with the Reds. Which brings these questions, in the Modern Era of baseball aren't the Reds unique by having the only Player-Manager in Pete Rose and the only Father-Son tandem in the Griffeys?? Am I right??

[ukwebfan]

Originally Posted by mrkdooley

With the World Series going on, I started thinking about baseball and to me baseball always has something to do with the Reds. Which brings these questions, in the Modern Era of baseball aren't the Reds unique by having the only Player-Manager in Pete Rose and the only Father-Son tandem in the Griffeys?? Am I right??

What's the modern era? Frank Robinson, Joe Torre and a host of others were player/managers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player-manager

Seattle had the father/son tandem as players.

[cumberlandredskin]

Originally Posted by ukwebfan

What's the modern era? Frank Robinson, Joe Torre and a host of others were player/managers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player-manager

Seattle had the father/son tandem as players.

The modern history of baseball is considered since 1901 by baseball historians. Since that time there have many player managers. At one it was quite common. There's not been many if any other father/son combo's. The Griffeys are the only one to come to my mind. ukwebfan is correct that the Griffey's played together in Seattle not Cincy.

[mrkdooley]

Thanks guys.

[supertroy18]

Holliday and Dye are on the market now. Dye seems like a definite possibilty in Left now. He had a decent season, and also could come fairly cheap, I think. Now, don't get me wrong, I kinda like what we have going in Gomes, Nix and maybe Dickerson in Left but RBI's need to be found somewhere. We can't keep putting our pitchers through seasons like last year.
Holliday is a bit of a stretch, but his postseason might scare some people off. He never really got rolling. He wasn't horrific, but his lack of superstar numbers in the clutch might dwindle his price tag down to Cincy range.

What do you guys think? Any other FA's that have caught your eye?

[cumberlandredskin]

Originally Posted by supertroy18

Holliday and Dye are on the market now. Dye seems like a definite possibilty in Left now. He had a decent season, and also could come fairly cheap, I think. Now, don't get me wrong, I kinda like what we have going in Gomes, Nix and maybe Dickerson in Left but RBI's need to be found somewhere. We can't keep putting our pitchers through seasons like last year.
Holliday is a bit of a stretch, but his postseason might scare some people off. He never really got rolling. He wasn't horrific, but his lack of superstar numbers in the clutch might dwindle his price tag down to Cincy range.

What do you guys think? Any other FA's that have caught your eye?

I would stay from Dye now. He really faded in the 2nd half of the season. His time may be gone. If he comes real cheap,maybe. I think Holiday will be with the Yankees next season. Just a gut feeling. If not I believe he will sign back with the Cards. I doubt the Reds do much in the FA market.

[ukwebfan]

Originally Posted by cumberlandredskin

I would stay from Dye now. He really faded in the 2nd half of the season. His time may be gone. If he comes real cheap,maybe. I think Holiday will be with the Yankees next season. Just a gut feeling. If not I believe he will sign back with the Cards. I doubt the Reds do much in the FA market.

The horrible attendance numbers left them in a bit of a financial bind. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Gomes walk and then start the season with Janish at short and Dickerson in left.

[cumberlandredskin]

Originally Posted by ukwebfan

The horrible attendance numbers left them in a bit of a financial bind. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Gomes walk and then start the season with Janish at short and Dickerson in left.

I'm think they may sign Gomes and let Nix go. Man, Janish at SS could be brutal with the bat. Defensively he's fine but hitting could be brutal to watch.

[Will Lavender]

Good news from Cincy:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/11/10/m...usspor00000002

Ouch.

[ukwebfan]

Depends on what you consider good.

I'm not at all surprised they want to make further cuts. Only that they would consider trading their 2nd best player and best pitcher from last season. Signing Gomes seems like a pipe-dream now. I'm now forecasting a blockbuster, multi-player trade of veterans for prospects in the near future.

Ouch is right though depending on who they get. All the while the big market domination continues.

[Will Lavender]

Originally Posted by ukwebfan

Depends on what you consider good.

I was shooting at sarcasm there. I meant the opposite of good.

I can see them trying to dump Cordero. But Harrang, Arroyo, and Phillips? Good Lord I thought we might just try to hold our ground and maybe add somebody. This looks like a fire sale.

[cumberlandredskin]

Ten players make up $66 million of the proposed $70 million payroll. So that means a couple of salary dumps. The most tradeable players are Arroyo,Harang and Phillips. I doubt anyone will want to take on the full amount owed to Cordero,so they are stuck with him. This is life of a small market team. Until there is some type of salary cap this is going to happen. The best the Reds have to hope for is to try to become like the Minnesota Twins. Be able to compete for the divison title year end and year out and if you make the playoffs be prepared to lose to a big market team like the Dodgers or Phillies.

[84cats]

Originally Posted by Will Lavender

I was shooting at sarcasm there. I meant the opposite of good.

I can see them trying to dump Cordero. But Harrang, Arroyo, and Phillips? Good Lord I thought we might just try to hold our ground and maybe add somebody. This looks like a fire sale.

Walt Jocketty says he doesn't have to make trades in order to make budget. He shot down the notion of trading Votto, and he says he's working on a deal with Ramon Hernandez. If that falls through, there is a chance they could pursue free agent catcher Miguel Olivo.

[supertroy18]

Originally Posted by Will Lavender

Good news from Cincy:

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/11/10/m...usspor00000002

Ouch.

I saw this earlier this week, and thought it was some kind of lie, but with the Reds, I can never be so sure. To trade Phillips would be absolutely crazy. He's a top of the line 2B and Arroyo is a big-time stopper. Harang might be in the twilight of his prime, but I still definitely believe in him. If one HAS to go, I imagine it would be him.

I would absolutely HATE to see another fire sale as a Reds fan. When Castellini came in, he promised he would work to get a winner; and there hasn't been anything near one, and now that the Reds seem close, he is selling just like his predecessors. I definitely don't expect a free agent to help out now, but I sure as heck don't want to see us getting rid of our decent ballplayers...

[cumberlandredskin]

Reds have re-signed Ramon Hernandez. He must have take a big paycut with an icentive filled contract. He seemed like he handled the pitching staff well. He and Hanigan make a good tandem,IMO.

Quote:
The Reds re-signed catcher Ramon Hernandez to a one-year deal, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal says the deal includes a 2011 option that vests with 120 games played in '10. The dollars are not yet known, but the Reds had declined Hernandez's $8.5MM option for next year.
Hernandez, 33, hit .258/.336/.362 in 331 plate appearances this year for Cincinnati after coming over in a December trade from the Orioles. He missed time with arthroscopic knee surgery. Hernandez was out-hit by his backup Ryan Hanigan, and I was surprised to see the Reds' eagerness to re-sign the veteran given their tight payroll.
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